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Old 10-24-2008, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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This has been the case for a while. They are mostly gang related murders in the worst areas but do not take away from the city. Stay in the good areas and you should be alright.
I'm sorry but they sure as hell do take away from the city. They take away lives, they take away hope, they take away trust, they take away neighborhood stability, they take away community resources, they take away investment opportunities, and they take away peace of mind. They have made huge swaths of this city virtually uninhabitable and they have destroyed billions in equity invested by previous generations that have yet to be recovered; to say nothing of the enormous strain it puts on the city's resources or the impediment it has been to the personal, educational, professional and financial growth of the people who are stuck in those hellhole neighborhoods, which helps the cycle repeat for yet another generation.

To say that this doesn't take away from this or any other city suffering similar problems evinces an unbelievable naivete about the seriousness of the problem and how its impact is felt well beyond the boundaries of the "worst areas." If you could wave a wand and make all the drug-slinging, gun-toting, murderous thugs disappear tomorrow, this city would experience a resurgence the like it hasn't seen since the days when sprouted out of a swamp to become the 5th-largest city in the world in half a century.
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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As far as crime, Chicago counts their crimes differently, so they're never in the FBI crime statistics. That makes it a bit harder to compare to other cities.
This is a persistent myth that never quite seems to go away. The only difference is that Chicago does not separate rape from other forms of sexual assault, so Chicago stats make no distinction between having your breasts grabbed in a bar by some drunken idiot and being forcibly raped. The FBI accepts, and reports, all other statistics provided by the city of Chicago because said statistics meet their standards.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I'm sorry but they sure as hell do take away from the city. They take away lives, they take away hope, they take away trust, they take away neighborhood stability, they take away community resources, they take away investment opportunities, and they take away peace of mind. They have made huge swaths of this city virtually uninhabitable and they have destroyed billions in equity invested by previous generations that have yet to be recovered; to say nothing of the enormous strain it puts on the city's resources or the impediment it has been to the personal, educational, professional and financial growth of the people who are stuck in those hellhole neighborhoods, which helps the cycle repeat for yet another generation.

To say that this doesn't take away from this or any other city suffering similar problems evinces an unbelievable naivete about the seriousness of the problem and how its impact is felt well beyond the boundaries of the "worst areas." If you could wave a wand and make all the drug-slinging, gun-toting, murderous thugs disappear tomorrow, this city would experience a resurgence the like it hasn't seen since the days when sprouted out of a swamp to become the 5th-largest city in the world in half a century.
Chill homie. It's ok.
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Old 10-25-2008, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Hard to "chill" when someone says something so breathtakingly ignorant.
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Old 10-25-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I have to admit Chicago is pretty amazing.
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Old 10-25-2008, 05:50 PM
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Chill homie. It's ok.
Gangs are horrible and take a lot of way from this city. I grew up around gangs and hate them, with a passion (especially after they put a friend of mine in the hospital when I was a teenager). I do not view their presence lightly. I'm with Drover on this one.

Additionally, their presence isn't just confined to the 'worst parts of the city'. I live in a pretty expensive and gentrified neighborhood, and gangs murdered someone on my street about 200 yards from my house about a year ago, and killed someone a few blocks away just a couple of months ago.
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Gangs are horrible and take a lot of way from this city. I grew up around gangs and hate them, with a passion (especially after they put a friend of mine in the hospital when I was a teenager). I do not view their presence lightly. I'm with Drover on this one.

Additionally, their presence isn't just confined to the 'worst parts of the city'. I live in a pretty expensive and gentrified neighborhood, and gangs murdered someone on my street about 200 yards from my house about a year ago, and killed someone a few blocks away just a couple of months ago.
Uhhh, I did not say I took them lightly. Stop making assumptions. I am just saying that Chicago is still a great city. That's all. OMG. I know more about gangs than most.
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Hard to "chill" when someone says something so breathtakingly ignorant.
I am still sticking to my opinion that Chicago is still a great city. This is not a "gang" thread btw. Create a thread about gangs if you wish. I thought this thread was to discuss Chicago as a great city.
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I am still sticking to my opinion that Chicago is still a great city. This is not a "gang" thread btw. Create a thread about gangs if you wish. I thought this thread was to discuss Chicago as a great city.
The very first sentence in this thread was "What's to dislike about this beautiful city?" There are legitimate answers to that question even if you don't want to hear them. Yes, it's a great city. Yes, many who live here enjoy living here. But there's still huge room for improvement. Getting rid of the gangs would be #1 on just about everyone's list of improvements, even as you dismiss them as taking nothing away from the city. That's complete horse crap. They have effectively ruined about half this city with several neighborhoods currently teetering on the brink of ruin.
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I'm sorry but they sure as hell do take away from the city. They take away lives, they take away hope, they take away trust, they take away neighborhood stability, they take away community resources, they take away investment opportunities, and they take away peace of mind. They have made huge swaths of this city virtually uninhabitable and they have destroyed billions in equity invested by previous generations that have yet to be recovered; to say nothing of the enormous strain it puts on the city's resources or the impediment it has been to the personal, educational, professional and financial growth of the people who are stuck in those hellhole neighborhoods, which helps the cycle repeat for yet another generation.

To say that this doesn't take away from this or any other city suffering similar problems evinces an unbelievable naivete about the seriousness of the problem and how its impact is felt well beyond the boundaries of the "worst areas." If you could wave a wand and make all the drug-slinging, gun-toting, murderous thugs disappear tomorrow, this city would experience a resurgence the like it hasn't seen since the days when sprouted out of a swamp to become the 5th-largest city in the world in half a century.
Don't preach to me like I am a second grader. I was just saying that despite Chicago's problems in that area that you cannot just say the city cannot be a great city because of it. There are still so many good things about the city. I actually like the city a lot. If some of you are hurting because someone you knew was hurt or killed by a gang member don't take it out on me. Unfortunately I have known people killed by gangs.
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