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Old 11-23-2008, 06:51 PM
 
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Because the U.S is the only world power/developed nation on the planet that has almost 40 million Black people. So ofcourse we are going to have a higher murder rate than lily White 1st world countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Australia, etc which have very few Blacks.
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding,

This is the correct answer. The crime rate among white Americans is no higher (probably lower) than any other white population on earth. It has nothing to do with guns or any of the other sociological blather posted in this thread.
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I, frankly, am sick and tired of hearing people constantly bash the U.S. I don't see mass immigrations to any other country. So, obviously, we're doing something right. Maybe people - including fellow citizens of America - should start focusing on what's GOOD about this nation instead of how horrible our society is.
There will be a mass immigration if we keep going in the direction we are going. We must focus on whats wrong in order to fix it. I love this country and thats why I question and point out her faults. I'm not gonna sit back and pretend that everything is fine and dandy.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding,

This is the correct answer. The crime rate among white Americans is no higher (probably lower) than any other white population on earth. It has nothing to do with guns or any of the other sociological blather posted in this thread.
So white people stole millions of Africans, brought them to America. Forced them into slavery. And now you are blaming an entire racial group on the countries violence simply because they are black?
That is such a backwards- racist view. America has such a long way to go.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:34 AM
 
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cause people like me love to watch the gun fight in Heat a million times over and over again.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:20 AM
 
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So white people stole millions of Africans, brought them to America. Forced them into slavery. And now you are blaming an entire racial group on the countries violence simply because they are black?
That is such a backwards- racist view. America has such a long way to go.
It has a lot to do with the sociological and economic factors of black Americans. The mixture of poverty, generational dependence on welfare, institutional racism (which although it has greatly declined in the past generation, it will still have reprecussions for at least another generation), the honor culture which I previously explained, and the prevelence of gangs and the drug trade in the ghetto (which directly and indirectly leads to a higher murder rate). Also, it should be noted that it mostly refers to American born blacks, African born blacks in the United States are actually one of the most successful demographic groups in the US in terms of educational attainment and social mobility. More successful than whites and even most Asian groups.

And yes, if you control for the black population in the US, the American murder rate is comparable to Canada and most European countries and if you include assault and rape, the US actually has a lower violent crime rate than most European nations and Canada. That's not to say that you can "blame" blacks for the higher crime rate, that would be viewing the black population as collective, but rather admit that there are many sociological and economic factors that cause many of the problems in the South and in the ghettos.

Oh, and Africans weren't exactly "kidnapped". The vast majority of slaves were bought from African warlords and emperors who already practiced serfdom and chattel slavery on a massive scale. In fact, when the European powers outlawed the slave trade for "humanitarian" reasons (which is kinda odd because none of them outlawed slavery itself at the time) African emperors were some of the biggest opponents claiming that if the Europeans really wanted to help black people that they should buy more slaves since the trade caused a huge influx of capital and European technology which they claimed was worth more than the slaves ever could be.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:57 AM
 
Location: mid wyoming
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Our legal system is in shambles. We don't prosecute someone we reward them with time off, jokes of a retraining system, we don't/can't enforce in a way that will make the criminal want to or have to rehabilitate themselves.
Oh, and we have a large gap between the haves and have nots here in material lifestyles. That seems to be reinforced at the have nots on a dailey basis with media outlets. That is the FIRST thing I noticed in other countries I have been to.
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:26 AM
 
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Most other countries have a much larger gap between the haves and the have nots...and a much larger number of have nots. The U.S. easily has one of the the highest standards of living in the world.
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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No, England and Wales do.
In America they're still among the highest for a developed country.

Another cause is the accepted level of violence on tv and the amount of tv watching.

Americans are more socially isolated than ever and people that have a greater sense of community tend to have lower crime rates, better education, healthier physically ect. We watch an increased amount of television than we used to.

In areas of much social isolation, people are more ready to fight someone. That explains the violence in the South. The South is less socially cohesive as there is less social capital than in the North. Our cities are designed to isolate us.

Read Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone", it is a good read about America's increasing social isolation.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:24 AM
 
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It has a lot to do with the sociological and economic factors of black Americans. The mixture of poverty, generational dependence on welfare, institutional racism (which although it has greatly declined in the past generation, it will still have reprecussions for at least another generation), the honor culture which I previously explained, and the prevelence of gangs and the drug trade in the ghetto (which directly and indirectly leads to a higher murder rate). Also, it should be noted that it mostly refers to American born blacks, African born blacks in the United States are actually one of the most successful demographic groups in the US in terms of educational attainment and social mobility. More successful than whites and even most Asian groups.

And yes, if you control for the black population in the US, the American murder rate is comparable to Canada and most European countries and if you include assault and rape, the US actually has a lower violent crime rate than most European nations and Canada. That's not to say that you can "blame" blacks for the higher crime rate, that would be viewing the black population as collective, but rather admit that there are many sociological and economic factors that cause many of the problems in the South and in the ghettos.

Oh, and Africans weren't exactly "kidnapped". The vast majority of slaves were bought from African warlords and emperors who already practiced serfdom and chattel slavery on a massive scale. In fact, when the European powers outlawed the slave trade for "humanitarian" reasons (which is kinda odd because none of them outlawed slavery itself at the time) African emperors were some of the biggest opponents claiming that if the Europeans really wanted to help black people that they should buy more slaves since the trade caused a huge influx of capital and European technology which they claimed was worth more than the slaves ever could be.
Good post I totally agree. Slavery is always used as an excuse many times. Get with the times. There are other factors that has to be address. I really have hope that one day we can get many of our Black Americans out of that crime culture.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:47 AM
 
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#24 United States:0.042802 per 1,000 peopleNationMaster - Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country
Violent crime stats.

Why so many for the U.S.?
An out of control welfare system.
A useless education "babysitting" system.
No parental control.
Limitless Illegal Immigration.
The endless promotion of the drug "culture".
The endless promotion of the "me first" "culture".
A zero tolerance attitude for ANY sort of personal responsibility or personal accountability.
A revolving door "touchy feely" judicial system, the criminals slip in, and they ALWAYS slip out....
Law "enforcement" where the police are the bad guys, virtually unable to do their jobs because of endless political correctness.
A lack of honest punishment for the guilty.
A bleeding heart liberal media that endlessly pities the pooo criminal, and degrades the victims...
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