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Old 12-05-2008, 12:19 AM
 
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Boston College did really good this year, so that's something at least.

Generally though, I always got the impression that New England schools put the money into academics instead of athletics.
Many of the top universities are not in the Northeast, and they are both strong academic and powerhouse athletic institutions: UCLA, Stanford, UNC, Duke, UVA, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, Southern Cal, Rice, Georgetown, etc. They all have excellent athletic teams and huge fan followings, but obviously put money into academics as well.

Boston College has had a string of good football seasons recently...this is their worst record in a few years - BC had 3 or less losses in each of the last 4 seasons.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:44 AM
 
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Because in the Northeast, they recognize that College Football is a game played by players with too little experience, going way too deep into the talent pool, and as a result, is only slightly better than high school football.

Think about it. 120 major college team, each one with players all within a 4-year age cohort, each one carrying about 40 players who play a significant amount of time. That's over 1,000 players within each age cohort,, all of them under 22, with very little experience or maturity. Major League baseball, for example, has almost no players at the age of college players, and only about 100 players in each age cohort, all of whom have about 5 more years of experience than college football players. For MLB to be as poor as college football, talentwise, there would have to be 300-400 teams. How good would that be? College football, in terms of quality of play and skill level, is about the equivalent of the very lowest level of minor league baseball. The Lowell Spinners. In fact, almost exactly the equivalent of the Cape Cod League, which is college level players under age 22.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:49 AM
 
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Everytime I go to parts a New England and when I want to watch a game, i feel like the oddman out. I'm the only one that cares. Why is this??
are u kidding me? Everyone in new england is on the Patriot's dick. They literally will not shut up about how awesome Tom Brady is (was) and how much "your" team sucks . Luckily, I was there when the Giants shut them down in the superbowl n all those douche bags in the Patriots jerseys were just standing there with their mouth wide open. that was one of the only good times i had up in new england, and I am forever in debt to New York for making that happen.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:50 AM
 
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Because in the Northeast, they recognize that College Football is a game played by players with too little experience, going way too deep into the talent pool, and as a result, is only slightly better than high school football.

Think about it. 120 major college team, each one with players all within a 4-year age cohort, each one carrying about 40 players who play a significant amount of time. That's over 1,000 players within each age cohort,, all of them under 22, with very little experience or maturity. Major League baseball, for example, has almost no players at the age of college players, and only about 100 players in each age cohort, all of whom have about 5 more years of experience than college football players. For MLB to be as poor as college football, talentwise, there would have to be 300-400 teams. How good would that be? College football, in terms of quality of play and skill level, is about the equivalent of the very lowest level of minor league baseball. The Lowell Spinners. In fact, almost exactly the equivalent of the Cape Cod League, which is college level players under age 22.
Yes, everyone realizes college sports ARE NOT professional sports...so the level is lower. You didn't mention that the elite programs attract the best players, so the level of play at the BCS schools is much higher than anywhere else.

Even though there are thousands of college football players, there are hundreds of thousands that were high school football players but not good enough to play in college.
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:48 AM
 
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Everytime I go to parts a New England and when I want to watch a game, i feel like the oddman out. I'm the only one that cares. Why is this??
I felt the same way when I went to visit NYC and Boston family members. They were surprised that I cared about college football and the culture surrounding it (tailgating, analysis, etc.).

I'm a huge fan of Big 10 basketball and football and found that the college sports culture in the Northeast is weak, like the person stated previously in the thread, because Northeasterners put more money into academics than sports.

I agree that college football is stronger in the west than it is in the Northeast, but college sports culture is definitely strongest and most fun in the Midwest and the South (although ASU and USC are very passionate about their sports)
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:54 AM
 
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I felt the same way when I went to visit NYC and Boston family members. They were surprised that I cared about college football and the culture surrounding it (tailgating, analysis, etc.).

I'm a huge fan of Big 10 basketball and football and found that the college sports culture in the Northeast is weak, like the person stated previously in the thread, because Northeasterners put more money into academics than sports.

I agree that college football is stronger in the west than it is in the Northeast, but college sports culture is definitely strongest and most fun in the Midwest and the South (although ASU and USC are very passionate about their sports)
They put more money into academics in the Northeast? What? That is not true at all...
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Omaha
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I'm sure someone said this already and I'm too lazy to look.

It's because they have a crapload of NFL teams. They don't have to gravitate towards college sports as much.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:11 AM
 
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I don't think some people are emphasizing enough how much PROFESSIONAL football is followed in the Northeast, which I believe has the most to do with overall disinterest in college football. Teams like the New England Patriots, the Philadelphia Eagles, the New York Giants, the Baltimore Ravens, and the Washington Redskins all have pretty large and loyal fan bases. Thus, high school and college football just simply don't get that much attention in comparison. Combine that with the fact that baseball seems to have the most loyalty among all sports in the Northeast compared to other U.S. regions.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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Many of the top universities are not in the Northeast, and they are both strong academic and powerhouse athletic institutions: UCLA, Stanford, UNC, Duke, UVA, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Michigan, Southern Cal, Rice, Georgetown, etc. They all have excellent athletic teams and huge fan followings, but obviously put money into academics as well.

Boston College has had a string of good football seasons recently...this is their worst record in a few years - BC had 3 or less losses in each of the last 4 seasons.
what does Georgetown have to do with football?
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:15 AM
 
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Generally though, I always got the impression that New England schools put the money into academics instead of athletics.
I hear this argument from time to time, but it doesn't make sense to me.

The sort of major-conference schools we're talking about don't "put money" into college football, they "get money out" of college football. SEC football in particular is immensely profitable for universities, and that doesn't include the visibility and loyalty which cannot be measured.

You can argue that athletics in general - not just college football - costs the school money, that's true, but that goes equally for Harvard as it does for Florida State.
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