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Old 01-24-2009, 12:10 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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New question. What do the states that Northerners claim are the south but Southerners claim are the north consider themselves as? States like Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, sometimes North Carolina and Kentucky.

It seems to me that the north uses the Mason-Dixon line as a dividing line, whereas the south is more picky and choosy and differed from state to state. I once has someone from GA tell me that Georgia was the center of the south and that Louisiana and Florida were not to be considered southern or apart of the south. :x
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:42 AM
 
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Northern Virginia has an argument for not being southern at all. Other urban areas in the state including Richmond and Hampton Roads can seem mildly southern to someone who is from the North or West. Rural areas and the western part of the state are generally southern, but not to the degree of the Deep South. It just depends on where you are. Its sort of hard to broadbrush Va as a whole one way or the other.

Maryland I think is certainly more northern than southern despite the Mason-Dixon line.
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:59 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Some people here on CD assume that the South is only areas where the Deep Southern culture totally predominates. Who decided this? Because Texas and Virginia are not like Alabama for instance they are not southern at all?

The South is a geographical reference also. Virginia, Texas and yes Florida have not moved in over the past 100 years. The fact is that the South contains more than one culture - and the predominate southern culture changes and adapts with time just like any other.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:06 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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It is worth noting that between 1900 and WW2 a HUGE migration of Southerners came into the northern states, both black and white. Do we say that New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois etc. are no longer northern states?

No instead we just generally except the fact that the North adapted and changed - and our culture was generally enriched.
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Old 01-24-2009, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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People from NY/NJ are a lot better than the rednecks in South Carolina

I have lived in SC my whole life and so far I have never met a person from SC that was not a redneck
So what you're telling us is that you never leave the house?
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Old 01-24-2009, 09:57 AM
 
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The South: southern Virginia, the Carolinas, Georgia, northern Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, eastern Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee

neither Southern or Northern: Kentucky, West Virginia, northern Virginia, DC, Maryland, Delaware, Missouri
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:01 AM
 
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^ Most of Oklahoma & TX (not just east) are Southern. When im in OK it doesnt feel much different than when im here in TN.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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^ Most of Oklahoma & TX (not just east) are Southern. When im in OK it doesnt feel much different than when im here in TN.
I was torn between putting Oklahoma on the list. I've never been, but geographically it seems like Oklahoma is a blend of Southern, Midwestern, Great Plains, and Southwestern. By eastern Texas, I meant the entire eastern half. I've been to El Paso and it was not Southern.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:19 AM
 
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I was torn between putting Oklahoma on the list. I've never been, but geographically it seems like Oklahoma is a blend of Southern, Midwestern, Great Plains, and Southwestern. By eastern Texas, I meant the entire eastern half. I've been to El Paso and it was not Southern.
Well yeah, geographically and architecturaly, Oklahoma looks like the West. My dad's hometown looks like one of those towns in the Western shows. But culturally, it doesn't feel much different from the rest of the South. The accent is the same and the people's attitudes are the same. Cowboy culture is big, but it's just as big in Nashville for some reason.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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Some people here on CD assume that the South is only areas where the Deep Southern culture totally predominates. Who decided this? Because Texas and Virginia are not like Alabama for instance they are not southern at all?

The South is a geographical reference also. Virginia, Texas and yes Florida have not moved in over the past 100 years. The fact is that the South contains more than one culture - and the predominate southern culture changes and adapts with time just like any other.
Technically if you look at a map, Virginia is in the middle of the East Coast. To prove that, Richmond is closer to Boston than it is to Jacksonville, Fl. Alexandria Va is further north in latitude than San Francisco. From Alexandria, one can drive to Long Island in less than 5 hrs.

Culturally, much of Virginia is southern but it is also transient at the same time. One can't reference back to the past 100 years or the Mason-Dixon line because a lot of people who live in Virginia do not quite fit this "Steel Magnolias" stereotype now. Culture changes with the times as you have indicated.
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