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Old 12-19-2008, 03:02 PM
 
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Hosting book festivals does not make a city literate. I do not believe for a second that LA is more literate than Boston or San Francisco.

Here's the most literate cities list for 2007... Los Angeles being 53rd and Boston being 10th, Seattle 2nd, Minneapolis 1st, San Francisco 7th, DC 5th, NYC 28th.

If this source is not reliable enough for you, search it on google and the same list will come up everywhere.

The study's objective:
This study attempts to capture one critical index of our nation’s social health—the literacy of its major cities (population of 250,000 and above). The study focuses on six important indicators of literacy: newspaper circulation, number of bookstores, library resources, periodical publishing resources, educational attainment, and online resources. Because of the number and complexity of the variables, the variety of ways in which the resource data are gathered and presented, and the variability in the timeliness of the data, the ranking is necessarily an interpretation.
America’s Most Literate Cities, 2007 — Infoplease.com
Once again...the list is "Most EVENTFUL Cities in America" and so the individual categories would focus on EVENTS. Why is that so hard to understand?

The list you shared with us is based on, among other things, number of bookstores and newspaper circulation? That doesn't tell us about literacy any more than number of literary festivals. Incidentally, Atlanta ranked the same on both lists - in the top 10...as did Seattle - in the top 5. Maybe there IS some connection.
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:18 PM
 
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Just another list to take in with a grain of salt. Especially with Seattle ranked #1 for sports with no more Sonics and the Seahawks..."Oh no! We suck again!" - as Rob Schneider in Waterboy would say.
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:42 PM
 
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Just another list to take in with a grain of salt. Especially with Seattle ranked #1 for sports with no more Sonics and the Seahawks..."Oh no! We suck again!" - as Rob Schneider in Waterboy would say.
I tried to use every logic I learned from a recent humanities logic class, and everything I learned doesn't make sense with what this list claims. Grain of salt is a perfect explanation.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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^I really don't think someone not old enough to even get into clubs, bars or a casino should be pretending to know all about the nightlife in any city.
Jewel Bako is not a club, it's a Japanese restaurant. I also have neighbors whose kids are in college now but living in the City and they occasionally come up and we play backyard football.

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Old 12-20-2008, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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Once again...the list is "Most EVENTFUL Cities in America" and so the individual categories would focus on EVENTS. Why is that so hard to understand?

The list you shared with us is based on, among other things, number of bookstores and newspaper circulation? That doesn't tell us about literacy any more than number of literary festivals. Incidentally, Atlanta ranked the same on both lists - in the top 10...as did Seattle - in the top 5. Maybe there IS some connection.
Bookstores and newspaper circulation tells plenty about literacy, more than a book festival does. Why would there be a lot of newspapers in a city if nobody reads them? Obviously, if a lot of newspapers are in circulation in a certain city, then a lot of people in those cities must buy a lot of newspapers... It's a business. The more people buy, the more of it there will be. Same with bookstores... The # of bookstores also tells that people buy a lot of books in those cities or else those bookstores would be out of business right now. And if you read the word in bold, you'd see that it said "educational attainment."

And I find it baffling that you even take this list seriously.
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Old 12-20-2008, 01:21 PM
 
Location: NEW YORK CITY
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new york ,its the best
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Old 12-20-2008, 01:44 PM
 
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Bookstores and newspaper circulation tells plenty about literacy, more than a book festival does. Why would there be a lot of newspapers in a city if nobody reads them? Obviously, if a lot of newspapers are in circulation in a certain city, then a lot of people in those cities must buy a lot of newspapers... It's a business. The more people buy, the more of it there will be. Same with bookstores... The # of bookstores also tells that people buy a lot of books in those cities or else those bookstores would be out of business right now. And if you read the word in bold, you'd see that it said "educational attainment."

And I find it baffling that you even take this list seriously.
I'm sure you find many things baffling.

I'm not condoning this list...but it's silly to post ANOTHER list that you think is better. The ranking is about EVENTS and nothing else. That's why Bookworm Cities are based on Literary EVENTS.
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Here
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fake new yorker? what does that mean? I never heard that term. anyway, that block full of neon signs and video ads does inspire me.
but I guess I might be a fake nyer because I don't go out much, I'm home or at work most of the time. I'm not into clubs and bars or dining. I'd rather eat pb&j at home any day lol so yeah I might be a fake person. the only thing I ever do on dates with my spouse is walk the streets or the bridge or the boardwalk. how dull.
So I consider it nightlife, because when you walk that street, at night, you see "life" (people awake)
I don't consider bad dudes or even baddest dudes "nightlife"
I'm sorry about my comment on vagas, I never saw the place, I just assume it's got a better night life based on its' attractions so I donno whatever maybe u r right

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Thanks for giving it away, you're a fake New Yorker. Times Square is a tourist trap, Disney World-like fantasy land filled with delusional tourists and the baddest dude on the block dressed up as Mickey Mouse. There's nothing amazing about that... What amazes me is how you consider this "nightlife."


Vegas nightlife is a complete joke UNLESS you're a tourist. Do you honestly think the people who live and work in Vegas are out gambling in one of the hotels on The Strip? No... No... No.

But in New York, most everybody is out on a Friday, Saturday night at sports bars, martini bars, comedy clubs, dining, etc...

A great example of a popular Japanese place in the East Village that is a late night hot spot with the yuppies... Jewel Bako...


And with all of the martini lounges and clubs and everything, NYC is impossible to beat...


This is in Astoria, Queens...
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Here
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I'm sure you find many things baffling.

I'm not condoning this list...but it's silly to post ANOTHER list that you think is better. The ranking is about EVENTS and nothing else. That's why Bookworm Cities are based on Literary EVENTS.
this list wasn't about the cities with the most bookworms living in it, this list is about which citys are best for bookworms to visit because it's got the most events (like book signing by famous or not famous authors)
same goes for outdoor events: they arent talking about how many people go hunting/mountain-climbing in central park, but how many out door events happen in the city. if you count the parades alone, that should put nyc on top
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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I'm sure you find many things baffling.

I'm not condoning this list...but it's silly to post ANOTHER list that you think is better. The ranking is about EVENTS and nothing else. That's why Bookworm Cities are based on Literary EVENTS.
How can a bookworm city be based on events? Obviously, according to the list that I posted which was right, a bookworm city is a bookworm city when people are literate. I don't see how one of the most illiterate cities in the country could be called the number one "bookworm city" even it was soley based on these "events."
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