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Old 12-25-2008, 10:23 AM
 
Location: New England & The Maritimes
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Wow, it seems like every thread some-how gets turned into Atlantafest.

The cities that actually should be discussed here are:

Chicago
DC
Boston
San Francisco




Alex, Rail travel is extremely efficient.

The free market is dead.

 
Old 12-25-2008, 10:48 AM
 
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Houston's and Dallas' mass transit system which involves everything including rail, bus, and more is about the same as Atlanta and Miami. Not to mention that even though it's only light rail, Dallas and Houston are currently expanding it's system while Atlanta and Miami hasn't for years.
Atlanta ridership numbers blow away Miami, Dallas, and Houston. Actually, Marta daily ridership is double the daily ridership of Houston, Dallas, and Miami systems combined:

Atlanta - 294,000
Dallas - 65,900
Miami - 65,500
Houston - 39,500

Atlanta is expanding it's system with LRT that will double the size of the current system. The last expansion was adding the North Line with 5 additional stations up to the North Springs station.
 
Old 12-25-2008, 12:07 PM
 
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I don't think that's necessarily true. It's just that Europe (and most of the earth) has a much more socialist attitude towards public transportation and everything else. They don't hesitate to spend however much money it takes to get a good system and then charge it's cost to the public with no care of whether it's making any money or not. Paying taxes for such things is just considered a necessary duty of living in an advanced civilized society.

In America on the other hand. Every little penny spent is scrutinized and protested and opposed by somebody so the budget is limited. Then, when the resulting project is lacking in quality and size because of this it's deemed a failure. Not to mention if it doesn't make money right away or looses money alot of people want to pull the plug on the whole thing.

It's really just a cultural thing. If the U.S. government and public were as anti highway spending as they are anti rail spending we would have a dreadful interstate system as well.
Agreed. In the US, public works (with big public funding) seem to trigger the same effect as blood in water for sharks. That might be the case all over the world, but here, since most things are privately owned, public funding is viewed by the sharks as a unique opportunity not to be missed.. Couple that with lack of appropriate funding in first place and the demand to make it profitable from day one and the myth "governments cannot manage anything" was born.
 
Old 12-25-2008, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Yeah, but what is interesting is that despite not expanding for 12 years, MARTA's daily ridership is more than Houston, Dallas and Miami combined.
Well that isn't surprisng because Dallas and Houston's systems are fairly new. Houston only has one line so that is nothing to brag about. However, Houston has a very extensive bus system.
 
Old 12-25-2008, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Atlanta ridership numbers blow away Miami, Dallas, and Houston. Actually, Marta daily ridership is double the daily ridership of Houston, Dallas, and Miami systems combined:

Atlanta - 294,000
Dallas - 65,900
Miami - 65,500
Houston - 39,500

Atlanta is expanding it's system with LRT that will double the size of the current system. The last expansion was adding the North Line with 5 additional stations up to the North Springs station.
Houston's rail system is basically a trolley and belongs nowhere in this topic.
 
Old 12-25-2008, 12:19 PM
 
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Default Atlanta

How much a ride costs in Atlanta and in Houston?
 
Old 12-25-2008, 07:44 PM
 
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How much a ride costs in Atlanta and in Houston?
1.75 in atlanta i dont know about houston
 
Old 12-26-2008, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Dallas and Houston's rail ridership is nowhere near Atlanta's. Atlanta's rail system is a heavy rail system based on the Metro system in D.C. It's difficult for a light rail system to carry as many people as quickly as heavy rail. Many people in Atlanta do actually jam into the trains every weekday. It's just that the trains don't travel to enough areas, especially in the suburbs and almost every effort of MARTA to expand their rail lines in the past decades has been thwarted by suburban politicians and local N.I.M.B.Y influenced residents.

But the Beltline which will add light rail to Atlanta's heavy rail system is developing full speed ahead and should be visible in a few years.

Yeah I know that. You repeated what I said in the last post about heavy rail and light rail. But what makes the entire system ridership equal is that Houston and Dallas has a superior bus system and ridership than Atlanta.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 01:45 AM
 
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Atlanta has a nice heavy rail system, but I wouldn't exactly call it extensive. If the system didn't go out to Hartsfied, the numbers would be much lower, and comparable to Dallas. However, MARTA has been around since the 70s so it would definatly have higher ridership than Dallas.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 05:25 AM
 
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Besides New York City, of course. I'd say San Francisco with the cable cars and the BART.
I would add Washington DC, New Jersey's Patco and Path rail systems, and Philadelphia.
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