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Old 01-01-2009, 07:56 AM
 
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What's even more confusing is the Census Bureau's current definition of urban and rural. In the past, an urban area was classified as any place with 2,500 people or more, or if it has less than 2,500 and part of a metro area, then it was counted as urban if it met certain density requirements.

Now if you look at the numbers, every city is broken up in to Urban/Rural population and it shows the Urban/Rural land area. Even some places with less than 2,500 and not part of a metro area are included as urban now. But some places that were formerly urban are now partially rural or all rural, even if it meets the 2,500 population threshold.

Some of it does make sense, but based on personal experience, there are several places the Census designates as rural that I think should be urban and places that are urban that I think should be rural.
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Rainrock, did you know that there are 7 metros bigger than Philly?

You are confused.

Asterisk- a small starlike symbol * used in writing and printing to reference a questionable or doubtful subject matter.

CMSA= 1 gigantic asterisk. It is a sham. Its a chamber of commerce fluff piece.Its false bravado.

http://www.census.gov/population/www...les/tab03a.pdf

Largest Metropolitan Statistical Area USA- 2000

1.NYC-NJ-CT-Pa- 18,323,000
2.LA-Long Beach-Santa Ana- 12,365,000
3.Chi-Naperville-Joliet Il-In-WI- 9,098,000
4.Phil-Nj-De- 5,687,000

Wash DC-7 Bal- 19
Boston-10 Providence- 32
SF- 12 SJ - 28
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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The sprawling enormity of the Wash DC Bal WV metro. It goes from De. to W.VA. From Pa to halfway to NC.Unbelievable.

Yet I cant get Mercer County NJ which is 1/4 mile from Bucks County and 15 miles to Center City Philadelphia. Philadlephia needs some better politicians and marketers.




Could somebody please tell me how Trenton-Ewing-Princeton is not part of Philadlephia metro. Anyone? Its literally a stones throw away across the river from the heart of metro Philadlephia. Its preposterous that Trenton is part of metro NYC, absolutely ridiculous.



Manhattan to Trenton-68 miles

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Old 01-01-2009, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Where is SF? I thought SF would be much higher than Miami, Dallas, Boston, Detroit, and Houston.

For future reference, where did you get this list?
It's on wikipedia but it comes from the US Census Bureau. I was also shocked about San Francisco but it was down the list.
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Old 01-01-2009, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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For example, Atlanta takes up over 4 times as much land area as Cleveland. I dont have time to look up the exact numbers now, but its correct (around 2,000 sq miles for Cleveland, and over 8,000 sq miles for Atlanta). Atlantas metro has a population of around 5.4 million. Cleveland currently only has 2.2 million. So some may think that Atlanta is so much larger than Cleveland when it really isnt. If the Cleveland metro took up as much land area as the Atlanta metro we would actually have about 5.2 million people. So in reality, Cleveland and Atlanta are actually around the same size if you look at it like that. Cleveland is cheated in that sense.
It's not about land area. It's about commuting statistics. Just people would rather live out more in Washington-Baltimore and Atlanta as opposed to Cleveland and Philadelphia. This is why CSA is really not used much because it does inflate it just a bit.

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Largest Metropolitan Statistical Area USA- 2000

1.NYC-NJ-CT-Pa- 18,323,000
2.LA-Long Beach-Santa Ana- 12,365,000
3.Chi-Naperville-Joliet Il-In-WI- 9,098,000
4.Phil-Nj-De- 5,687,000
As of now, Philly was passed by DFW a couple years ago in the MSA.
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Old 01-01-2009, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Updated info guys.

Wash-Bal metro now includes Richmond,Norfolk,Roanoke.

Northeast Philadlephia is now part of NYC metro and Boston has claimed Maine, Vermont and Newfoundland in their entirety.

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Old 01-01-2009, 10:18 AM
 
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Updated info guys.

Wash-Bal metro now includes Richmond,Norfolk,Roanoke.

Northeast Philadlephia is now part of NYC metro and Boston has claimed Maine, Vermont and Newfoundland in their entirety.
Rainrock, you've gone from conspiracy to a comedian!
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:26 AM
 
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Indianapolis is way over extended. It should only go to Franklin. Columbus, Indiana is it's own metro and there are tons of corn fields in between Columbus and Indianapolis so I don't see how that's possible:


Columbus is in the county south of Johnson and east of Brown. The shaded areas are the developed areas of this metro region.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: IN
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The Census Bureau definitely overextended the boundaries for Kansas City. Sure, you could make some argument for commuting patterns, but the counties themselves are fairly large in size. It seems like including exurban and rural counties is almost encouraging sprawly developments and exurban population growth in itself.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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On the Trento question. This is mostly a Jersey thing.
Anything south of I-195 is South Jersey and the Philadelphia area anything north is NYC.
When I lived in S.Jersey about 5 miles below the 195, we never affiliated ourselves with anything north.
Always remember all the bumper stickers that said "South Jersey, the 51st State!"

On another note, Ya root for the Blessed Eagles south and the Jersey Jets and Giants to the north.
In South Jersey you have a steak or a hogie, in North Jersey you have a slice or a sub.
In South Jersey you have the NJ Devil of the Pinelands. In North Jersey you have the NJ Devils in Hockey.

I miss ole, Joisey! and the PHILADELPHIA area.
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