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Old 01-03-2009, 10:26 PM
 
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I thought the Chinese already owned us ?
If we do get bought I want to live in the country with the most holidays.
Holidays and vacation time. But yeah, the Chinese already bought all of our bad mortgages, so the joke's on them! Hah hah hah!
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:31 PM
 
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After reading the article, it's clear where his ideas come from... The present day former Soviet Union! He comes from a country that has experienced total collapse, and where breakaway republics routinely attempt to split away from the former Soviet state. So he's projecting these ideas on to the United States, as ridiculous as they may sound.
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Old 01-04-2009, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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For some reason I have a hard time with Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, and South Carolina ever spliting off with the European Union
Can't imagine my kin sitting around sipping French wine and nibbling on Brie Cheese with pinkies extended talking about how wonderful socialism is
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Old 01-04-2009, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Been reading many articles about this in the Wall Steet Journal, USA Today, and NY Times.
Igor Panarin is gaining broad attention in regard to this.

What are your thoughts?

As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. - WSJ.com
Mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation sound right to me.
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Old 01-04-2009, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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After reading the article, it's clear where his ideas come from... The present day former Soviet Union! He comes from a country that has experienced total collapse, and where breakaway republics routinely attempt to split away from the former Soviet state. So he's projecting these ideas on to the United States, as ridiculous as they may sound.
You may have something there.

The past Soviet Union was a centralized government dictatorship bent on world domination or empire building as many scholars like to call it. It fell under it's own weight, basically bankrupt, then rebuilt. Today's Russia is far different. Supermarkets have replaced breadlines, Moscow's central side (comparable to NYC's Upper East Side) bodes more billionaires than anyplace else in the world. The massive exdous of population has leveled off and according to The Economist has now shown a re-immigration of ex-patriots (mostly from the US and Germany) back to Moscow and St. Petersburg.
Saint Petersburg, where my company now has a location is beautiful.
The issue in Russia today or it's heel is still issues with substance abuse in regard to alcohol and opium use. Overall, Russia's business climate is considered "more free" than America's today add that to our highest corporate tax rates in the world, may soon outpace ours anyway.

Going back to your post, since 1988 what pace have we taken? We have elected leadership which have created more of a dynasty than anything else. Bush I, Billyboy, and Sonny Bush. All neo-cons, all nation builders, all big government. Neither of the three has strenghtened America but made it weaker. They have sold out the majority of our manufacturing base, brought our national debt into the trillions, and most of all increase our government tenticles further than LBJ ever tried.

I could go on, but as the old communist world seems to move toward a more internal national market to further strengthen it's economy, we chose to move toward a the old style of producing nothing while the government chooses our destiny. It's sounds goofy I know, but when you are actually out traveling to other nations (not the pretty tourist spots) on business and see the differences, then try to deal with the red tape, Sarbanes, tax hell, business killing policies here, folks will start to wonder why we are in recession, our businesses are being outsourced, alien corporations delisting from the NYSE and going back to their domestic exchanges (Volvo, etc.) may see where this guy is getting his ideas.

Granted, do I believe America will "crash" in 2010. No, but we better start doing something soon in regard to business friendly practices, getting our nose out of others foreign issues, and most of all placing a lid on out of control illegal immigration and and runamuk tax policy. If not, far out fiction may become real world items. The final question will come: Is Obama a change agent or is he just another rubber stamp of the Bush/Clinton dynasty.
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Old 01-04-2009, 08:36 AM
 
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I didn't wanna answer to you since you are making no sense and just ratifying my point about some posters around here.

To clarify, yes! I do live more than 10 mos per year in both US coasts. And, yes! I do feel qualified to have a formed opinion about the US in general, and not because I live there, but because it's my HUMAN RIGHT (some don't seem to understand this) to have an opinion about the matters going on in the world.

Again, I never say 'all Americans', so don't judge me as if I were you.

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So, let's get this straight - you don't live in the United States, but somehow you feel qualified to suggest that we're on a crash course for civil war? And this is because you feel like all Americans "lack empathy for another human being"? That's brilliant. I guess I didn't realize I had a complete lack of empathy. You learn something new about yourself every day, huh?

When you can concoct something better than "they have handguns and no empathy," let me know.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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There isn't going to be any "civil war." Disintegration of nation-states and empires happens gradually over a long period of time. What happens is that institutions that run the empires become hollow. They are still there in name, but the real economic and governing work becomes more and more local. The Roman Empire started disappearing long before the barbarians finally took over Rome itself in 476.

The federal government will pretend to run things and the local authorities will pretend to follow the federal government's orders for many years to come. But behind the scenes, new economic and trade relationships will develop, citizens will start identifying more with local interests and not "national" ones, and if any new states are declared in the future, it will be very noncontroversial and seem like the natural thing to do.

There isn't going to be any "civil war" as we knew it in the past.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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There isn't going to be any "civil war." Disintegration of nation-states and empires happens gradually over a long period of time. What happens is that institutions that run the empires become hollow. They are still there in name, but the real economic and governing work becomes more and more local. The Roman Empire started disappearing long before the barbarians finally took over Rome itself in 476.

The federal government will pretend to run things and the local authorities will pretend to follow the federal government's orders for many years to come. But behind the scenes, new economic and trade relationships will develop, citizens will start identifying more with local interests and not "national" ones, and if any new states are declared in the future, it will be very noncontroversial and seem like the natural thing to do.

There isn't going to be any "civil war" as we knew it in the past.

Good Point, one could also tie the same to the USSR, no civil war but the other.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:08 AM
 
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I certainly hope so... It's better for our health to be optimistic about this, however, let's not loose sight of the facts.

I reiterate, and being from a country that was torned by civil war not that long ago and growing up with adults who remembered it well; things DO escalate pretty quickly when the circumstances are right and ripe.

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There isn't going to be any "civil war." Disintegration of nation-states and empires happens gradually over a long period of time. What happens is that institutions that run the empires become hollow. They are still there in name, but the real economic and governing work becomes more and more local. The Roman Empire started disappearing long before the barbarians finally took over Rome itself in 476.

The federal government will pretend to run things and the local authorities will pretend to follow the federal government's orders for many years to come. But behind the scenes, new economic and trade relationships will develop, citizens will start identifying more with local interests and not "national" ones, and if any new states are declared in the future, it will be very noncontroversial and seem like the natural thing to do.

There isn't going to be any "civil war" as we knew it in the past.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Dorchester
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The real question is what are the consequences to this boob if he is completely wrong?
Nothing.
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