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Old 01-03-2009, 10:24 AM
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Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I'd have to say Lexington KY's is almost a joke



There are 3 counties (Rockcastle, Bath, & Menifee) in it which are very rural, slow growing, and have very little commuting ties to Lexington.

By contrasts Garrard County, which has the highest percent of residents that commute to Lexington in the state, is NOT included - it's also one of the state's fasting growing counties by percent. It is not included in ANY CSA, MSA, or Micropolitian Area.

I think Danville and Harrodsburg should be included as well. That would lead to the follow comparison my my Lex CSA vs the official one

Official one: 658,143 residents as of 2007, grew by 56,000 since 2000. Mine: 715,918 residents as of 2007, grew by 61,000 since 2000.

What other cities have under or over extended CSAs, or ones that are just plain confusing??
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: yeah
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Boston's extends to Manitoba, or so it seems.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:01 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
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Censusdata, do you have commuting stats on the counties included in Lexington's metro?
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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Little Rock's CSA includes Pine Bluff, which makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Little Rock's CSA includes Pine Bluff, which makes no sense whatsoever.
A lot of people who work in Pine Bluff live in Little Rock and commute. CSA is not determined based on development patterns, but based on commuter patterns. Pine Bluff is not included in Little Rock's MSA.
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Old 01-03-2009, 03:55 PM
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Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Censusdata, do you have commuting stats on the counties included in Lexington's metro?
There are lots of commuting stats on the Kentucky State Data Center page, but most of it is in PDF and is hard to link to. They are linked in bunches as well.


Kentucky State Data Center (http://ksdc.louisville.edu/sdc/commute/commute.htm - broken link)

I would say Cincinnati's and Louisville's CSA's are very good and I wouldn't add or remove any counties
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
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Boston's extends to Manitoba, or so it seems.
I always thought that Boston's made sense. Its large but I really do believe that the commuting numbers merit it.
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Old 01-04-2009, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I'm from Los Angeles, and I've always found the extension of new york's CSA to be completely and politically exaggerated. It's all about traffic patterns, not about who actually resides in a particular city. It's a game that statisticians play when it's raining outside and they've got nothing better to do. Just so they can state that Pennsylvania is a suburb of new york city. Silly. new york is not that big, or influential, or all that important- but they want you to believe that. Like a comic book that city is, as well as the people in it. Can't take it, or the whole 'CSA' principle seriously. Where's our money, new york? ...failures...
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Old 01-04-2009, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Somerville, MA
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Boston's extends to Manitoba, or so it seems.
People commute to Boston from even the most extreme parts of that metro area. In fact, there are places not included in the Boston metro (parts of Southern Maine and and Vermont) that have a good number of commuters. I'd say Boston's makes a lot of sense. Good public transit and extensive highways make it so.
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Old 01-04-2009, 10:28 PM
 
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Default How would you define a CSA?

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People commute to Boston from even the most extreme parts of that metro area. In fact, there are places not included in the Boston metro (parts of Southern Maine and and Vermont) that have a good number of commuters. I'd say Boston's makes a lot of sense. Good public transit and extensive highways make it so.

I'd be interested in numbers on commuters from southern Vermont. I'd guess there might be a few, in fact probably are a few, from southeasternmost VT, but that's a long commute. I'm guessing there aren't a whole lot of commuters to the core of the Boston MSA from southeastern VT, and that they become few and far between from anywhere else in that state. I don't really know, though, so I'd be interested in any concrete numbers anyone might have.

Part of the question of how extended a CSA should be involves pinning down the basic idea of just what a CSA is. The Census Bureau's website discusses the use of commuting statistics to identify close economic and social ties between MSA's, but that does not really define the idea of a CSA specifically, the way an MSA can be roughly, but reasonably accurately, defined as a city and its commuter suburbs.

Using Boston as an example, I live in the Boston MSA, and would agree with the notion that most of the territory within the CSA where Boston is the largest city gives me a sense of being part of an extended local region with some degree of interconnectedness, even if at a level less intense than that of an MSA. I'm not so sure that Concord or Laconia in NH give me the sense of being quite part of the extended local region, but the rest of it works. Providence and Worcester have commuter rail connection to Boston. A couple of indoor arenas in Worcester are venues for concerts attended by people from the Boston area, and seem to be generally viewed as sites for Boston's local rock/pop concert scene. The airports in Providence and Manchester are both secondary airports serving the Boston area--the kinds of airports that have flights with bargain fares. All of this adds up to giving me a sense that these places have a close association with Boston, even though they are part of an extended local area, not exactly true suburbs. Still, that is a very subjective feeling, and I can't quite pin down precise criteria for identifying the appropriate boundaries of a CSA. Any ideas?

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