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Old 01-08-2009, 11:56 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I'm confused. Are you saying that now you think Pittsburgh might be more Midwestern (even after all my ranting about it not being Midwestern)?!
No I personally do not but I am always open to new ideas.

I am saying there are some older threads where out of state people are saying that Pittsburgh (and to a lesser extent Buffalo and even Rochester) is entirely midwestern. Someone even claimed half of Pennsylvannia is midwestern down some artifical line.

I would like to hear some more people who actually live in Western PA, Western NY, and Eastern Ohio before I would change my mind. I realize you are one of them Ainulinale!
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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No I personally do not but I am always open to new ideas.

I am saying there are some older threads where out of state people are saying that Pittsburgh (and to a lesser extent Buffalo and even Rochester) is entirely midwestern. Someone even claimed half of Pennsylvannia is midwestern down some artifical line.

I would like to hear some more people who actually live in Western PA, Western NY, and Eastern Ohio before I would change my mind. I realize you are one of them Ainulinale!
Cool. Now let me direct you to one of my older polls concerning this matter. (Some of our posts got pretty nasty, including my own. haha, oh well.)

What do Native Pittsburghers Consider Themselves?
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:13 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Cool. Now let me direct you to one of my older polls concerning this matter. (Some of our posts got pretty nasty, including my own. haha, oh well.)

What do Native Pittsburghers Consider Themselves?
Well that was not even close LOL!

That helps clear things up but most of the people who were stating that Pittsburgh is not NE live pretty far away lol.

A similar thing seems to occur with Texas. A lot of Texans (at least here on CD) see themselves as Southerners or at least partially southern. But some people outside Texas do not see them that way. I tend to trust the natives in most cases.
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Well that was not even close LOL!

That helps clear things up but most of the people who were stating that Pittsburgh is not NE live pretty far away lol.
Yep, that's usually them. It is rather humorous when someone from DC or Miami insists that Pittsburgh is Midwestern. Not that I know everything about the city; but usually they say something like the culture is Midwestern, and then never explain what culture means or in what way our culture is Midwestern.

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A similar thing seems to occur with Texas. A lot of Texans (at least here on CD) see themselves as Southerners or at least partially southern. But some people outside Texas do not see them that way. I tend to trust the natives in most cases.
I agree, I think in most cases natives know best (though not always).
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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hey ainulinale,

I just read your other Pittsburgh posting and its really interesting to read those comments. The concept of a Northeast category vs. a New England vs. an East Coast category is promising. As someone else suggested, maybe we should create a Great Lakes category.

Thanks for the clarification about Appalachia; I was not aware of the significant Scotch-Irish population; I guess they might be called the sons and daughters of Andrew Jackson ?

The funny thing about New England (I can say this because I live here) is that half of Connecticut really does not belong in New England; once you get west of Hartford you are truly entering the metro New York area; aka the Tri-State Area.

Maybe I should do a poll about this !
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:12 AM
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Fairly accurate categories

What's tricky are that much of economy in many regions is now suburban, e.g., SiliconValley....and many who dominate the economy in any major region/industry may be from various "minorities", e.g., Jews or Indians....and many of dominant figures in industries, like NYC's financial industry...or SiliconValley's tech or financial industries....are guys (often Jews or random white guys or Indian-Americans or EastAsian-Americans, etc) who may have migrated to SV/NYC from various middle-income suburbs in Northeast or Midwest or suburban Dall/Hou, not necessarily from any cities per se (after all, many middle/upper-income "minority" families have been in suburbs for decades now)
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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hey ainulinale,

I just read your other Pittsburgh posting and its really interesting to read those comments. The concept of a Northeast category vs. a New England vs. an East Coast category is promising. As someone else suggested, maybe we should create a Great Lakes category.
Well, I've already used a Great Lakes category. I simply consider it a subset of the Midwest.

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Thanks for the clarification about Appalachia; I was not aware of the significant Scotch-Irish population; I guess they might be called the sons and daughters of Andrew Jackson ?
Sure. But I doubt many Scots-Irish today could take a bullet in a shootout and walk away like nothing happened.


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The funny thing about New England (I can say this because I live here) is that half of Connecticut really does not belong in New England; once you get west of Hartford you are truly entering the metro New York area; aka the Tri-State Area.

Maybe I should do a poll about this !
You should.
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Old 01-10-2009, 11:22 AM
 
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Call me a semanticist but y'all have to be specific about this East Coast thing because the East Coast is actually larger than how it's being used on here. I'm gone now.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Call me a semanticist but y'all have to be specific about this East Coast thing because the East Coast is actually larger than how it's being used on here. I'm gone now.
Bye.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:24 PM
 
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It is interesting that people are equating the Megalopolis urban sprawl with the Northeast. Other parts of the northeast are now said to be part of another region just because they are not part of a urban/suburban corridor that follows a 19th century rail route and a badly congested I95. I do not know any other region where people are subdviding the region in this way.

I think this is why many people seem suprised when they see pictures of rural New York, Pennsylvannia, Maryland and above all New Jersey - so strongly do people equate the Northeast with the megalopolis
Excellent point!
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