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Old 01-05-2009, 11:31 AM
 
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I remember another thread stating that 75% of Dallas voted for Kerry in the election and how it was more liberal than almost any city in the country.

There was some link with a research paper by a man stating those stats.


Someone finally looked it up though, and Dallas voted for Kerry, but by a total of 57% of the vote....NOT 75%.

Dallas county actually voted for Bush, which makes it one of the only counties in the US to contain a major urban area and still vote for Bush, and the 57% of the people in the city proper voting Democrat is actually quite low compared to most central cities.

There are liberal portions of Texas, and certainly more liberals/democrats than people give it credit for......but at the end of the day it's not going to be winning many contests for liberalism.
57% this time around voted for obama in DALLAS COUNTY. But in 2004, the county was evenly split, but the CITY *** went 75% for Bush, while COUNTY was 50/50.

The thing about TX counties is they contain a huge n umber of suburbs.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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Anything that basically happened in 2004 is not offset by 2008 now. In 2008, Obama won Dallas County by a pretty wide margin and won the city by a significant margin. Democrats have taken over Dallas County since 2006 and it doesn't look like that will change in the near future.
Also, for some reason people continuously (and infuriatingly) conflate CITY with COUNTY. The study was about cities, not counties, and Dallas even in 2004 went 75% for Kerry. This time, Dallas co. as a whole went 57% for Obama.

Note that Harris county was closer, about 51 to 45 or something for Obama, but taht Harris County is huge and contains a lot of suburbs, and neighboring fort bend almost went Obama too. If you drew the lines differently, presumably there'd be a huge democratic area in southeast texas too.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:35 AM
 
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I don't know much about the politics of SoCal, but it seems to me that the bar is pretty low for it to exceed Texas in liberalism. Every statewide elective office in Texas state government that is filled by partisan elections is held by conservative Republicans.

OP, I know you thought you were giving yourself wiggle room by specifying "Texas cities," but you have to figure that there were plenty of urban voters who helped elect those statewide officeholders.
Statewide office is MUCH different than national. National is the only scientifically neutral benchmark we have here.

And the fact is, Dallas, SA, Houston, EP, Austin are all overwhelmingly in favor of Obama, the liberal.


Also, there is no way that republicans gerrymander. That would never happen!

Finally, look to city politics! Houston has always had democratic mayor, and has some of the most liberal reps in the US house in the country - Al Green and Sheila Jackson. Dallas is dominated locally by dems, with a lesbian sheriff for pete's sake. Austin we dont' even need to go into, nor EP.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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Houston and San Antonio are NOT more liberal than San Diego. Austin is not as liberal as it seems according to a recent study, Dallas was ranked as being more liberal as Austin.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf

Also the city Dallas did not vote 75% for Kerry, someone claimed that on here a while back ago and I've tried to find information to back that up and cannot. If someone actually has proof of that please provide it b/c I can't find anything that says that. Also that was from another thread trying to make TX cities seem as liberal as CA ones, I don't get why some Texans are so concerned with making that comparison.

But if you look at Metropolitan areas and not just cities, TX metro areas will come out more conservative. All the counties in Southern CA except for Orange County went blue in the last election. Southern CA is more conservative than Northern CA but overall its fairly moderate. The Bay Area is the most liberal region in the country so anything in comparison to it will inherently be more conservative. Southern CA is more liberal than TX cities but probably not by as much as many people might think.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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Houston and San Antonio are NOT more liberal than San Diego. Austin is not as liberal as it seems according to a recent study, Dallas was ranked as being more liberal as Austin.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf

Also the city Dallas did not vote 75% for Kerry, someone claimed that on here a while back ago and I've tried to find information to back that up and cannot. If someone actually has proof of that please provide it b/c I can't find anything that says that. Also that was from another thread trying to make TX cities seem as liberal as CA ones, I don't get why some Texans are so concerned with making that comparison.

But if you look at Metropolitan areas and not just cities, TX metro areas will come out more conservative. All the counties in Southern CA except for Orange County went blue in the last election. Southern CA is more conservative than Northern CA but overall its fairly moderate. The Bay Area is the most liberal region in the country so anything in comparison to it will inherently be more conservative. Southern CA is more liberal than TX cities but probably not by as much as many people might think.
San Diego is the most conservative big city in the country as of now dude, at least I heard somebody say that.

SA is more liberal than SD, - all the hispanics dude.

Proof that Dallas was 75% kerry:
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:54 AM
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Statewide office is MUCH different than national. National is the only scientifically neutral benchmark we have here.
Why do you call it scientifically neutral? Presidential elections have the highest turnout in every 4-year cycle, so all you can statistically conclude is that the results come from a larger sample of the electorate. But it's surely not a random sample, nor is there anything neutral about it in our current polarizing national election climate.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:57 AM
 
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Why do you call it scientifically neutral? Presidential elections have the highest turnout in every 4-year cycle, so all you can statistically conclude is that the results come from a larger sample of the electorate. But it's surely not a random sample, nor is there anything neutral about it in our current polarizing national election climate.
B/c we cannot compare local politics of one place to another very accurately - too many variables. A Cal. republican would be a democrat in the northeast and so forth.

With pres. election we have 2 candidates, and it's the same everywhere. Easier to compare. Prima facie, a place that votes more for Obama than McCain is more liberal, and that holds regardless of state/locality. So it's a good comparison.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:04 PM
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Also, there is no way that republicans gerrymander. That would never happen!

Finally, look to city politics! Houston has always had democratic mayor, and has some of the most liberal reps in the US house in the country - Al Green and Sheila Jackson.
The Republican-controlled legislature in Texas gerrymandered the Houston districts to concentrate the liberal voters in as few districts as possible, presumably to keep these voters from voting against GOP candidates. It's not surprising that such concentrated Congressional districts would elect candidates who strongly support their views.

All this example proves is that there is fervor among the liberals who are there, not that the cities are any more liberal than the rest of the state. That is more provable from election results.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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San Diego is the most conservative big city in the country as of now dude, at least I heard somebody say that.

SA is more liberal than SD, - all the hispanics dude.

Proof that Dallas was 75% kerry:
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf
So you just believe what any random person says?? Sorry but the hearsay of someone else does not mean anything really.

well according to that study of most liberal and conservative cities, which you linked to as well, San Antonio IS more conservative than San Diego, look at the report of where both cities are ranked. Also San Diego does have a lot of Hispanics too dude, it located on the border with Mexico.
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Old 01-05-2009, 01:20 PM
 
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^ actually that's the exact study that was used in the other threads about Dallas.

The source is all wrong if you actually look at election results. I'm not sure why the author put that number in there, or if they were just trying to prove some point.

2004:

Dallas City: 57% for Kerry
Dallas County: 49% for Kerry


I know things are different this year with Obama, as they are almost everywhere in the country.

2008:

Dallas City: 65% for Obama
Dallas County: 57% for Obama

Google--->Dallas--->Wikipedia--->Dallas Politics section--->(information above)--->sited by the Dallas/Collin and Denton county election commissions adding up the precincts for the city itself. Whaaala....
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