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Old 01-11-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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It seems like they chose these cities at random. Why would Minneapolis, Nashville, and Boston be considered "one of the most dangerous cities"?? Pretty shocking.
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: moving again
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Its amazing how well New York is doing. Compared to a few decades ago, its an entirely different city!

What's up with Chicago, other than the south side (is that where all of the crime is coming from?), i don't think there are many bad parts to the city

Baltimore makes me sad, as well as all of the other cities at the bottom
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:48 PM
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Location: Oakland
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Yeah, I was speaking of violent crime in particular, though.
So was I...seeing as this thread is about violent crime, it was what I was referring too. But the same stands for property crime too of course.
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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These are not reliable rankings. The "central city" varies widely in how much of the suburban sprawl it represents. Virginia Beach "central city", for example, comprises the entirety of what was formerly Princess Anne County, so the low-crime suburbs and even the sprawling rural countryside is counted in the central-city crime statistics. On the other hand, St. Louis and Detroit city limits end very close in, so there is virtually nothing within the central city except the older core central business district and nearby older neighborhoods. In other words, none of the suburbs are included in the calculation for Detroit or St. Louis, but all of the suburbs are counteed for Virginia Beach.

Here is a list of the top 101 cities for worst reime rate, with pop over 50K:

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c405.html
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:04 PM
 
Location: New Mexico to Texas
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These are not reliable rankings. The "central city" varies widely in how much of the suburban sprawl it represents. Virginia Beach "central city", for example, comprises the entirety of what was formerly Princess Anne County, so the low-crime suburbs and even the sprawling rural countryside is counted in the central-city crime statistics. On the other hand, St. Louis and Detroit city limits end very close in, so there is virtually nothing within the central city except the older core central business district and nearby older neighborhoods. In other words, none of the suburbs are included in the calculation for Detroit or St. Louis, but all of the suburbs are counteed for Virginia Beach.

Here is a list of the top 101 cities for worst reime rate, with pop over 50K:

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c405.html

WOW, Council Bluffs Iowa has a higher crime rate than Compton
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:25 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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This is a much more accurate list: http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/City...8_Rank_Rev.pdf
CQ Press: City Crime Rankings 2008
or these (Morgan Quitno 2008):
1. New Orleans
2. Camden, N.J.
3. Detroit
4. St. Louis, Mo.
5. Oakland, Calif.
6. Flint, Mich.
7. Gary, Ind.
8. Birmingham, Ala.
9. Richmond, Calif.
10. North Charleston, S.C.
11. Cleveland
12. Baltimore
13. Miami Gardens
14. Memphis, Tenn.
15. Youngstown, Ohio
16. Atlanta
17. Compton, Calif.
18. Orlando
19. Little Rock, Ark.
20. Minneapolis
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:38 AM
 
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This is a fairly strange way to figure out violent crime rates as whole.

All the Murder, Rape, Robbery and Aggravated assault rates are just added up, and the total is the number.

So a city with a murder rate of 100 per 100,000 and a robbery rate of 200 per 100,000 would have a rate of 300.

A city with a mrder rate of 5 per 100,000 and a robbery rate of 600 per 100,000 would have a rate of 605.

Say both cities have 100,000 people.

City A has 100 murders and 200 robberies.

Ctiy B has 5 murders and 600 robberies.


Looking at the blind stats, you would say city B is twice as violent as city A, but there are plenty of people who would rather have three times as many people be victims of a robbery than twenty times as many people being murdered.


There's such a spread between murder and rape rates compared to robbery and assault because there are MANY more of the latter two than the first two.

Having a murder rate of 20 and an assault rate of 700 can't be compared just by adding the numbers. What if it was a murder rate of 700 and an assault rate of 20??

I think this is why many of the cities are off, although just from double checking Chicago, the ranking is WAY off even using this methodology, so many some other cities are just plain in the wrong place as well.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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This is a much more accurate list: http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/City...8_Rank_Rev.pdf
CQ Press: City Crime Rankings 2008
or these (Morgan Quitno 2008):
How do you know it is more accurate?

Chicago 60604, I'd much rather live in a town with a high murder rate, than a town with a high robbery rate. Murder victims almost always associate with murderers, but robbery victims are drawn much more randomly from the general population. My own risk of being robbed would be higher in city B, but I could eawily arrange a lifestlye in city A in which my risk of being murdered was virtually zero.

You criticized the methodology of the UCR because it is unweighted. But for an ordinary citizen, the chart you have shown has been weighted---by somebody else. That opinion is arbitrary, and does not necessarily reflect the concerns of the citizens equally in every community. Auto theft is a pretty non-violent crime, but who would want to live in the city with the highest auto-theft rate (Modesto CA)?

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Old 01-12-2009, 11:04 AM
 
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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I'm surprised to see Minneapolis is one of the most dangerous. What is going on there?
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Old 01-12-2009, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Damn it Chicago!

to the previous poster, it's not just the south side. the west side is very bad, by the united center included. the north side also has bad areas. it's just that the south side's bad area is so LARGE that it gets a bad rep.
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