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Old 01-08-2009, 11:13 AM
 
Location: 3219'03.7"N 10643'55.9"W
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It's odd to think that the last baby boom was fueled by marriage, recently returned GI's and a desire for white picket suburbia.

But there was still a family basis. This new baby boom is entirely a southern affair, with the majority apparently being unwed teenage mothers. I know that the typical view is that birth control is evil, et cetera, but shouldn't there be some social programming? I'm completely fine with the Christian religious ideal that marriage leads to a solid family life, because for the most part it does, but why are these bible-beaten states not enforcing this more rigorously? What happened to the whole "practice what you preach" mentality? If these same people are preventing the rest of the nation from moving forward in science and social progress, why the hell can't they practice what they preach?

I was raised in a godless northern state where the evils of science and practical education taught me how to use a condom. There were less than... I think I only knew about two teen pregnancies in my high school career, and both of those resulted in abortions. I'm not here to make a statement about being pro-life or pro-choice, but the social planning mechanism was there. It's smarter to not have children until you have finished advanced education and are sitting in a home you own with a career and a bank account.
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Back in New York
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I notice that many of the women down south have kids at least 5-10 yrs before their counterparts in the Northeast.
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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I absoltely hate abortion and everything should be done to reduce the number of abortions in this country...but a fetus is not a child. It is nothing more than a mass of tissue cells that cannot live outside the mother's body. Is it living? Yes, but so is bacteria and microbes.
If there was any chance you could prove that the developing life was, in fact, more than just a mass of tissue then your assertion fails miserably. Prove to me that the developing life is nothing more than a mass of tissue then I will agree with you.

With the obvious advances in medical science (ultrasound/sonograms) I think the odds of you proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the developing life is nothing more than a mass of tissue is shaky at best.

Good luck.
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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It's odd to think that the last baby boom was fueled by marriage, recently returned GI's and a desire for white picket suburbia.

But there was still a family basis. This new baby boom is entirely a southern affair, with the majority apparently being unwed teenage mothers. I know that the typical view is that birth control is evil, et cetera, but shouldn't there be some social programming? I'm completely fine with the Christian religious ideal that marriage leads to a solid family life, because for the most part it does, but why are these bible-beaten states not enforcing this more rigorously? What happened to the whole "practice what you preach" mentality? If these same people are preventing the rest of the nation from moving forward in science and social progress, why the hell can't they practice what they preach?

I was raised in a godless northern state where the evils of science and practical education taught me how to use a condom. There were less than... I think I only knew about two teen pregnancies in my high school career, and both of those resulted in abortions. I'm not here to make a statement about being pro-life or pro-choice, but the social planning mechanism was there. It's smarter to not have children until you have finished advanced education and are sitting in a home you own with a career and a bank account.
We do have sex education courses here in the south; Most of teen pregnancy in states like California and Texas comes from illegal immigration.
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:12 PM
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Location: Ohio
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13 off topic posts have been removed from this thread. Here's a handy rule of thumb to prevent this from happening in the future:

If your post doesn't relate in any way to the original post, it's off topic.
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:15 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Anyone seen "Idiocracy"?? This is where it all begins......
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:30 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I read the article, and the numbers are not percents as the scanned in article implies. They are live births per 1000 teen women. Still too high, but nowhere near as high as the article implies. 68.4 births per 1000 teens is actually 6.84% of teens who gave birth in a given year. That is the problem with reporters trying to interpret statistics.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:34 PM
 
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I read the article, and the numbers are not percents as the scanned in article implies. They are live births per 1000 teen women. Still too high, but nowhere near as high as the article implies. 68.4 births per 1000 teens is actually 6.84% of teens who gave birth in a given year. That is the problem with reporters trying to interpret statistics.
And it should be noted, that the OP says all southern states except Nevada, and while AZ and NM may be in the southern half of the continental United States, they would not normally be referred to as "southern" states. TX and OK are also not consistently referred to as "southern" states since there are cultural influences at play that distinguish them from other states in the Southeast.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I smell an agenda.
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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You do know, don't you, that there is a difference between "pregnancy" and "birth"? The article quoted by the OP is about Birth Rates. Which would differ from the Pregnancy Rate by factors such as the incidence of abortions , which is itself a variable, depending on such factors as state laws and the ability of people to afford abortions, and the social inclination to resort to abortions.
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