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Old 01-08-2009, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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Why would you choose to look at CSAs instead of MSAs?
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:54 PM
 
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Yes, if anyone wants to look up the info on MSA's, it would offer the advantage of being able to compare all metro areas, not just those which are part of CSA's.
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:41 AM
 
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The biggest news here is that Detroit managed positive growth.
Like it has since it was founded a few hundred years ago.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:42 AM
 
Location: yeah
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No shock that they're all cheap...
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Old 01-10-2009, 11:22 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I didn't use MSA's because it splits up urban areas that to men should be in one piece.

Is it really fair to say that Riverside CA is bigger than Cincinnati or Nashville? Is West Palm Beach really bigger than Louisville or Birmingham? Is San Jose really bigger than Cleveland? To me all those are part of a larger city's metro area.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Irvine,Oc,Ca
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This is not true where is Riverside-San Bernandino Metro its the 5th fastest growing metro in the u.s.Look it up if you don't believe me.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Why would you choose to look at CSAs instead of MSAs?
Hell, why would you look at MSAs instead of urban areas?

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This is not true where is Riverside-San Bernandino Metro its the 5th fastest growing metro in the u.s.Look it up if you don't believe me.
Is it? I know it's behind Houston, DFW, Phoenix, and Atlanta, so maybe it is fifth.
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Old 01-11-2009, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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I didn't use MSA's because it splits up urban areas that to men should be in one piece.

Is it really fair to say that Riverside CA is bigger than Cincinnati or Nashville? Is West Palm Beach really bigger than Louisville or Birmingham? Is San Jose really bigger than Cleveland? To me all those are part of a larger city's metro area.
I'm confused about your comment in a couple ways...

1) MSAs aren't supposed to split up urban areas. It is true that Riverside, CA is a separate MSA from LA, but West Palm Beach is part of the South Florida MSA with Miami, Ft Lauderdale, etc while San Jose is part of the Bay Area MSA with San Francisco, Oakland, etc. To you, they are part of a larger city's metro area, and the census bureau agrees. That's why they are officially part of the larger MSAs, lol.

Maybe you meant Urban Areas? You chose not to use "urban areas" for this reason? The MSA definition actually seems to be more in line with your objective here.

2) I think it is FAIR to say that Riverside is bigger than Cincy or Nashville. I mean, it actually is, isn't it? I understand your desire to lump the Riverside MSA with the LA MSA (it is, after all, the greater Los Angeles area) and I feel the same way. But when it comes down to it, the Riverside MSA is the 14th largest MSA in the country, independent of LA. It's not like LA's MSA numbers somehow artifically boost Riverside's.

Anyway, using MSAs for this comparision isn't perfect either, but in my opinion it is better than CSAs cause like ogre said and many others alluded to, you don't lose all the areas (cities, regions, or whatever) that aren't a part of a CSA.

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Hell, why would you look at MSAs instead of urban areas?
I think using urban areas work against the OP's desire to group larger clusters of population regions together.
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Old 01-11-2009, 05:40 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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The reason I listed CSAs in the first place is that I didn't notice until latter how many larger cities the list omitted. I had thought that ALL MSAs had to be part of a larger CSA since that's the way all the Metros in my area are.

As for MSAs being split up... to me its like taking a larger suburb of a large city and comparing it to a city of similar size. In Kentucky an example would be comparing Jeffersontown (pop 27,000 in the same county as Louisville that has a pop of 709,000) to an independent town like Paducah, which is the same size. Paducah has its own TV market, a good sized mall, a historic Main Street district that is 20 blocks long, and several medium sized hospitals. Jeffersontown has a historic district that is maybe one block and no malls or hospitals.

Jeffersontown would not have 27,000 residents if it wasn't 15 miles from Downtown Louisville. Paducah exists on its own. IMO Riverside or San Jose wouldn't have millions or people if they weren't so close to two world class cities - Los Angeles and San Francisco.
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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The reason I listed CSAs in the first place is that I didn't notice until latter how many larger cities the list omitted. I had thought that ALL MSAs had to be part of a larger CSA since that's the way all the Metros in my area are.

As for MSAs being split up... to me its like taking a larger suburb of a large city and comparing it to a city of similar size. In Kentucky an example would be comparing Jeffersontown (pop 27,000 in the same county as Louisville that has a pop of 709,000) to an independent town like Paducah, which is the same size. Paducah has its own TV market, a good sized mall, a historic Main Street district that is 20 blocks long, and several medium sized hospitals. Jeffersontown has a historic district that is maybe one block and no malls or hospitals.

Jeffersontown would not have 27,000 residents if it wasn't 15 miles from Downtown Louisville. Paducah exists on its own. IMO Riverside or San Jose wouldn't have millions or people if they weren't so close to two world class cities - Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Oh, I totally agree with your explanation. I feel the same way. But my point was that MSAs are supposed to deal with your very concern...MSAs eliminate the apples to oranges comparison of some towns/cities.

Now I'm not looking this up right now so I'm not 100% sure (but I'd certainly put a lot of money on this) Jeffersontown is part of the Louisville MSA. So when using metropolitan statistical areas, you wouldn't ever be comparing it to Paducah (which is a micropolitan statistical area). And as I told you earlier, San Jose is part of the San Francisco and Oakland MSA. Make sense to you now?

Cool...I'm not harping on this subject any longer. Peace!
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