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Old 01-13-2009, 09:01 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Oh, I totally agree with your explanation. I feel the same way. But my point was that MSAs are supposed to deal with your very concern...MSAs eliminate the apples to oranges comparison of some towns/cities.

Now I'm not looking this up right now so I'm not 100% sure (but I'd certainly put a lot of money on this) Jeffersontown is part of the Louisville MSA. So when using metropolitan statistical areas, you wouldn't ever be comparing it to Paducah (which is a micropolitan statistical area). And as I told you earlier, San Jose is part of the San Francisco and Oakland MSA. Make sense to you now?

Cool...I'm not harping on this subject any longer. Peace!
No it's not. San Francisco-Oakland is its own MSA, and San Jose is its own MSA. Now, there is a San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA.
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:13 PM
 
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Perhaps the best standard is to look at what wikipedia calls the "primary census statistical area." This table includes MSAs and "Micropolitan Statistical Areas" that don't make up CSAs, while also including CSAs. Thus, whatever the largest possible designation for an area can be, that's what it is-- so no place is left out.

Table of United States primary census statistical areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can then change the table to rank by percent population change 2000-2007 and see that, for example, Phoenix-Mesa-Scotsdale, AZ MSA and Austin-Round Rock, TX MSA grew faster than even Raleigh-Durham at 28.52% and 27.88% respectively.
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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As a follow-up, wow, looking at the bottom of the growth list on the "primary census statistical areas" chart, it is amazing how many micropolitan areas experienced a loss of population between 2000 and 2007. A lot of them are in the Midwest (especially North Dakota and that area) and in the central South (Mississippi, Arkansas, etc.), but there are also a number in the forgotten parts of boom states (quite a few in Texas, Georgia, and South Carolina).
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Sandy Springs, Georgia
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Wow, poor Pittsburgh and Cleveland, huh.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Tijuana Exurbs
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I didn't use MSA's because it splits up urban areas that to men should be in one piece.

Is it really fair to say that Riverside CA is bigger than Cincinnati or Nashville? Is West Palm Beach really bigger than Louisville or Birmingham? Is San Jose really bigger than Cleveland? To me all those are part of a larger city's metro area.
I agree with Censusdata's point and his way of interpreting the data. What you have to do is compile your CSA list, than look through the list of MSA's and see if any of the MSA's are not part of a CSA, and then intersperse them into the CSA data. Or, we could complain to the Census Bureau for not completing this basic task for consumers of census data, which by all logic the bureau should have done.

The following are the missing MSAs if you were creating a list of the top 50 Metro areas for 2007 based on CSA data with MSA data added in. This is where these MSAs would follow within the top 50:

11. Miami
13. Phoenix
17. San Diego
20. Tampa
26. Portland
29. San Antonio
34. Virginia Beach
42. Jacksonville
43. Memphis
47. Richmond

How do know this? I created this list last fall from Census Bureau data.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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No it's not. San Francisco-Oakland is its own MSA, and San Jose is its own MSA. Now, there is a San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA.
Oops! I stand corrected, you're absolutely right. I stand by everything I said previously, just make San Jose an exception along with Riverside (and there are of course several other notable exceptions, too)

My apologies, though, for the careless mistake. I do have an excuse for why I thought that, but it's my fault for not checking first. West Palm is in Miami's MSA though! I was right about one thing, lol.

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Perhaps the best standard is to look at what wikipedia calls the "primary census statistical area." This table includes MSAs and "Micropolitan Statistical Areas" that don't make up CSAs, while also including CSAs. Thus, whatever the largest possible designation for an area can be, that's what it is-- so no place is left out.

Table of United States primary census statistical areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can then change the table to rank by percent population change 2000-2007 and see that, for example, Phoenix-Mesa-Scotsdale, AZ MSA and Austin-Round Rock, TX MSA grew faster than even Raleigh-Durham at 28.52% and 27.88% respectively.
There you go...I'll back this idea.
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