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Old 01-13-2009, 06:32 PM
 
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Didn't get accepted to the college of your choice?
I can't relate to what you're suggesting at all. Funny - I've failed at a number of business ventures, but I've never been directly "rejected" anywhere: jobs, colleges, etc. I guess that's because I was running .com start-ups while still in high school. One of my life's biggest regrets is not having the courage to drop out of high school the day I turned 16...


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Sorry, but a college education is much more than you're little assessment above.
Of course it is. I just offered my opinion, and for the sake of briefness I didn't paint it in a million shades of gray. Anyone old enough to make decisions about college should be old enough to take things they read on the Internet with a grain of salt. Your life experience may vary.


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There are many professions that require a college education as well as professional certification. There are probably places in the world where self-taught medical professionals can practice, but would you really feel comfortable with one who hasn't completed a program at one the "dens of sin/socialist brainwashing institutions"?
My clients entrust business processes that involve hundreds of people to information systems that were designed and implemented by a guy without a Computer Science degree: one day of downtime is half a million dollars down the drain. I guess there are ways to show your competence and competitiveness that don't involve a government-standardized piece of paper.

As for professional certification - I hold some IT certifications in very high regard, even more so than college degrees. Similarly, it should be up to the free market to decide what constitutes sufficient education to be a doctor (or a brakes mechanic). Caveat emptor.


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If you're assertions are true, then our goal should be to eradicate formal education altogether [...]
Typical socialist thinking - either you subsidize something or you "eradicate" it. Why is it so inconceivable to let the individuals decide?

(Oh, that's right, you went to college... I guess that makes a lot of ideas harder to conceive... Though even that shouldn't excuse you from confusing "you're" and "your", especially if English is your first language...)
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:26 PM
 
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No, professor...college opens your mind to new ideas and concepts and makes it EASIER to get along in the world. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about the whole thing.

I know that there are plenty of competent people who don't have a college degree, but I also know that there are plenty of competent people who DO have one. And I was under the impression that over the years society HAS decided what the standards are for certain professions - some of which require a degree, like nurses/teachers/engineers/attorneys/etc.

Let individuals decide WHAT? I'm sorry, but that idea is just insane. You definitely need some education on a few things
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:51 PM
 
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college opens your mind to new ideas and concepts and makes it EASIER to get along in the world.
Like I've said, I've contributed my subjective opinion, and, true, I tend to focus on the controversial aspects because that's what's most valuable in a discussion. Some people may benefit from college, by which I mean full-time structured curriculum in an overpriced government-regulated institution. Most people I respect do not. The point, as it applies to this thread, is - quantity of college degrees within a population is not an accurate measure of "education".


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And I was under the impression that over the years society HAS decided what the standards are for certain professions [...]
Who is this Mr Society everyone is talking about? I've never met him. But one-size-fits-all standards are set by government bureaucrats: sometimes they're good, sometimes they're too strict, sometimes they're not strict enough, etc. You can't judge them without competition, and without a government-imposed monopoly there would be exactly that: multiple competing standards, and the freedom to choose which one(s), if any, you want to apply to a particular decision.


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Let individuals decide WHAT?
By what means they pursue education themselves, and by what standard they gauge the qualifications of others. (Your reading skills are lacking.)
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:42 PM
 
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Assuming all things are equal, including certifications and achievements, I'll hire the educated person over the non-educated person. Education unlocks doors: for an American wanting to work in many developed nations other than the US a four year degree is required to get a work permit, (people in other developed countries may be able to get around this) not to mention the doors opened in this country.

Degrees in the US may be expensive but they are also universally respected and accepted by employers and to be harsh, provide a filter.
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:09 PM
 
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Like I've said, I've contributed my subjective opinion, and, true, I tend to focus on the controversial aspects because that's what's most valuable in a discussion. Some people may benefit from college, by which I mean full-time structured curriculum in an overpriced government-regulated institution. Most people I respect do not. The point, as it applies to this thread, is - quantity of college degrees within a population is not an accurate measure of "education".




Who is this Mr Society everyone is talking about? I've never met him. But one-size-fits-all standards are set by government bureaucrats: sometimes they're good, sometimes they're too strict, sometimes they're not strict enough, etc. You can't judge them without competition, and without a government-imposed monopoly there would be exactly that: multiple competing standards, and the freedom to choose which one(s), if any, you want to apply to a particular decision.




By what means they pursue education themselves, and by what standard they gauge the qualifications of others. (Your reading skills are lacking.)
You are a nut...keep giving us all something to laugh at...it's really amusing.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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You are a nut...keep giving us all something to laugh at...it's really amusing.
If I was a nut, I'd be cholesterol free...
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:23 PM
 
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College is totally overrated. I hated being forced to take subjects that I was never going to advance in anyway. Of course I still had to pay out the buttocks for classes, books and accesories. Its just another business. A person with good social skills and drive can excel very far w/out a college education.
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:52 AM
 
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I am a very open-minded person and I believe that everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. However, you are not entitled to judge your fellow human being unless you have been appointed to serve on a jury. Therefore Alex, you do not have the right to criticize people and call names because they made choices which are different than your ideals.

You are entitled to your "subjective opinion", but your opinion is simply that and nothing more. Just what this world needs, one more chastizing, negative person who gets his/her kicks from ruffling feathers. That is just so sad. We all have enough to deal with which is beyond our control without having to listen to your judgement and condemnation--just so you can stir the pot a little bit.

I congratulate you for attempting to start several different business ventures. However, by your own admission, many of these have failed. That just goes to show that you don't know all that you need to know--or these ventures would not have failed. Hmmmm....perhaps you should consider getting some of that over-rated structured academia that you choose to condemn. Either that or spend a whole lot more time on the internet researching things other than this forum. Obviously, you don't know it all yet. Just an idea I would thought I toss out there at ya'. Time to grow up and get a real life now, don't ya' think?...Have a good one now...ya' hear....

PS What goes around, comes around; and one of these days someone will give you more than you bargained for....wonder what you'll do then...

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Old 01-15-2009, 03:05 AM
 
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Nuts have cholesterol don't they? I believe some of them have more good cholesterol than bad, but I must double-check this one...
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:46 AM
 
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[...] Therefore Alex, you do not have the right to criticize people and call names because they made choices which are different than your ideals. You are entitled to your "subjective opinion", but your opinion is simply that and nothing more. [...]
Of course it's my opinion and nothing more - when did I ever initiate aggression to promote my opinions? Never! (Unlike my opponents, sadly...) In any case, I'm sorry if I've been exorbitantly rude to anyone, and I believe that I've already clarified the context of my comments above, to which I have nothing else to add.


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Nuts have cholesterol don't they? I believe some of them have more good cholesterol than bad, but I must double-check this one...
I brought it up just to turn a "nut" insult into lighter self-deprecation (this libertarian has been eating too much beef and seafood lately), but plants either contain no cholesterol or so little that FDA's labels round it down to 0mg. Some plants (nuts, seeds, etc) instead have phytosterols that lower cholesterol. Cholesterol is also produced by the human body, including the "good" kind (high-density lipoprotein).
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