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Old 01-12-2009, 03:45 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Honey I've lived in California and for several years at that. SoCal is nothing but suburbs, and NorCal has perhaps two actual downtown areas and is surrounded by nothing but endless suburbia.

Except for office parks. Lots and lots of office parks.
That's nice, still doesn't mean what you speak of CA is true. I've lived here my whole life, grew up in Northern CA and have been in Southern CA for over 7.5 years and have seen pretty much every corner of the state.

There are many, many small towns and older suburbs with nice, vibrant downtown's, including the suburb I grew up in, Walnut Creek. Lots of towns and suburbs here have defined main st type downtown's so I can't take someone that says "NorCal has perhaps two actual downtown areas and is surrounded by nothing but endless suburbia" remotely serious. Northern Ca has some really nice, small quaint towns all over the place.

SoCal may not have the density of SF or NYC but its definitely more than just "all suburbs", many places here are urban but just not as intense as older, east coast cities.

But I guess I really shouldn't be surprised by your "assessment" considering the negative tone and bitterness of some past posts. Maybe you just don't realize that just b/c some place isn't as dense as NYC or downtown Chicago doesn't mean it's "suburban".
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Old 01-12-2009, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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People in the Midwest are no less intelligent than Californians. To think so is just ignorant.

Midwestern people may not sit around and talk about eco-friendly laundry baskets while sipping lattes. Instead they may be talking about their son's baseball game the night before or something funny their dog dig this morning.
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Old 01-12-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I'm from the midwest and I can barely read. To be entirely honest, I can't even figure out what this thread is about. That one guy from California used a bunch of words that I've never even seen before.

On a brighter note, though, we finally have the internet in my town. Hopefully it'll give me a chance to get caught up to the "intellectual" Californians. (I'm just guessing about the meaning of "intellectual" based on context clues.)
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Southeast Iowa
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You guys are all cracking me up. I've lived in Iowa before, but I'm a NorCal native. I never noticed any difference in "intellectual" conversation between the Midwest and NorCal. The subject matter might be different, but people talk about things that interest them or things going on in their daily life. So of course the subjects are probably going to be different. Just because the people in CA are discussing eco friendly laundry baskets, doesn't mean they are smarter than two farmers talking about farming in Iowa. I wish people wouldn't be so snooty to really think that way. I know some do though. And it's sad, not everyone in CA is like that! I'm not!
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:27 PM
 
Location: O'Hare International Airport
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People are more reserved, politics are more local, and relationships take a little more time to forge (but they end up a lot stronger, too). But I would suggest being yourselves, embracing the differences, and not getting too upset when the people around you are a little more conservative or it's harder to get to know them.

Just like anywhere, you have to go about finding the sort of people you most want to be around. It might be a little harder in some places than others--but people are, at the end of the day, just people.
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Town of Herndon/DC Metro
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I'm from the midwest and I can barely read. To be entirely honest, I can't even figure out what this thread is about. That one guy from California used a bunch of words that I've never even seen before.

On a brighter note, though, we finally have the internet in my town. Hopefully it'll give me a chance to get caught up to the "intellectual" Californians. (I'm just guessing about the meaning of "intellectual" based on context clues.)
LMAO! Rep points to you!
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:00 PM
 
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Can I ask where you're moving? I'm from Iowa City, Iowa. It was a GREAT place to grow up. Very open minded and liberal, growing fast, clean. It's where the U of Iowa is located.

I tended to prefer eastern Iowa to western Iowa, but I was probably just biased. Interestingly, even the rural areas of eastern Iowa tend to be quite democratic and liberal. Almost every county in eastern Iowa voted for Obama by sometimes very healthy margins. Many of these counties only have 6,000-15,000 people living in small towns, most of them vastly white. That goes against what most people would imagine small town America voting for.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:32 PM
 
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Compared to Cali, you will have a much harder time finding people to talk to about intellectual ideas.
Actually just the opposite is true since the educational system in the Midwest is much better than California. Notice how Iowa is number one in state SAT scores and the midwest dominates all the top rankings.

State Rankings SAT Scores
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:40 PM
 
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Compared to Cali, you will have a much harder time finding people to talk to about intellectual ideas.
It is a little known fact that great Midwestern universities like Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Kansas, Illinois . . . are all fake! They are just a bunch of empty buildings. Their founders were ever hopeful when they went ahead and built the campuses, but it turned out to be impossible to find any students qualified for higher education in the intellectual vacuum of the Midwest. Lately, a plan has been developed to recruit students from California, but early surveys indicate that this plan may not prove fruitful. Too few Californians would be willing to separate themselves from the intellectual hub of the universe known as California, with the cornucopia of brilliant ideas generated while lounging on beaches, sunning, and surfing.
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Old 01-12-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Actually just the opposite is true since the educational system in the Midwest is much better than California. Notice how Iowa is number one in state SAT scores and the midwest dominates all the top rankings.

State Rankings SAT Scores
those are SAT scores of HIGH schools students and says nothing about the quality of colleges/universities, CA has arguably one of the best public university systems in the nation but our K-12 system is not very good overall. But I am not agreeing with what "jtur88" said at all b/c its pretty ignorant imo, most people here don't think like that and that poster isn't even from Ca.


I can't believe how many posts have addressed that one off base comment by someone who doesn't even live in CA, amazing what some people will get worked up over.
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