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Old 01-17-2009, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Well, yeah, but this thread is about "liberal" states and dying economies. Colorado is far from liberal, even though we have more registered Independents than either Democrats or Republicans, and we have a mix of local politicians.
California is liberal and it has a Republican governor. States aren't 100% blue or red. In fact, going by the election results below, Colorado voted blue more than other known democratic states.

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Old 01-18-2009, 10:03 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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California is liberal and it has a Republican governor. States aren't 100% blue or red. In fact, going by the election results below, Colorado voted blue more than other known democratic states.

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Yes, that's true of this year past (2008). We're very independent out here. You never know what will happen. I have said that many times over. We were called "red" when the state barely went for Bush over Kerry.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:48 AM
 
Location: O'Hare International Airport
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Well, Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico are all "fast-growing" states and all voted Democratic/Blue in this past election. That throws a wrench in the theory, I suppose.
I think the thread specifically mentioned liberal states. None of the ones you listed are liberal--not by a long shot. In fact, all of those states have implemented pro-growth, low-tax economic policy that frustrates liberals who want to pour money into unions and robust social programs.

Colorado voted for a Democrat for the third time in 50--count 'em, 50--years. It is famous for it's low-tax, pro-business economic environment.
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I recommend: Red State, Blue State Rich State Poor State. Check it out at your local library or request they buy it.
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Old 01-20-2009, 03:09 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Democratic party sucks. vote for republican. im out.
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Old 01-20-2009, 08:02 PM
 
Location: USA
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It should be noted that some struggling or less fortunate states have a strong (mostly recent)Republican tradition: West Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas.[/quote]

Louisiana is socially red, however the state government and what people expect from the politicians is liberal spending and higher taxes. The state has a long way to go before it is considered business friendly, That is the real reason this state is losing population, not really because of Katrina.
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Old 03-18-2010, 03:36 PM
 
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A note to the one whom calls himself 'bigdave01' and others. what high cost of living are you speaking of? i live in cali. and for what i pay in just home rental costs, i could buy a home in my home state of michigan in a great area for a pittance.more than enough to make up for heating oil, by the way, which most homes in these cold areas do not use..heating oil is used mostly in rural areas.the majority of people now live in sub-burbs or urban areas in the states you speak of and heating oil is high even in good times, so i dont get where you are getting your info. and high cost heating oil { which you can say thanks' to republican leaning politicians who cater to the fuel and energy industry like carp feeding on dead meat} would not cancel out the savings on food, housing, clothing and other amenities that one can get in these great states.buying a home here in sac-town is also much cheaper than renting at this point because of the sly-deals { Theft } from banks and other lenders holding forclosed mortgages and lowering property values and hence lowering the huge tax base that was once available in this state { by the way: this all happened under a republican governor and a republican president}. heating costs will not convey any generalities of cost of living in the context you speak of. michigan has lower food costs, lower housing costs in all areas, etc. fuel is also cheaper. so to, are a college education. to just make up, out of thin air a reference such as a higher 'cost of living' and higher 'heating costs' only means you have not educated yourself on what the 'whole' cost of living index is and all of its variables and what they really mean.one can never use any one formula for this calculation..unregulated industry standards and wall streets 'legalized gangsters' have caused this mess with the backing of a republican party that looks more like a nationalistic, racially tinged nazi vision of the very people who embrace their policies { politicians reflect their -base- constituants} after all, this president is being thrown under the bus by those who claim a socialist takeover agenda -for cover- while really playing the race card..this is all interwined with this presidents race more than anything.combine this with greed from large deep pocket corporate lobbyists and the god, guns and patriotic themes of the I love "my' country crowd and we have a nationalized and one sided party of flakes and nuts who have admitted that they want this president to fail..Thats real patriotic and mighty white of you..Oh, and mr steel says thank you massa! this recession/depression has largley afflicted mostly poor whites {whites actually make up the bulk of those who are poor by the goverments standards } and blacks and hispanics the most-'thank you mr reagan for your unflattering and destructive act of deregulating wall street and big industry.not to mention the missiles you gave the iranians while in office by proxy through the contra costa rebels.im sure they were appreciated and will be much more so when they are actually used against us when we invade them because they have a few too many milking cows in the pasture! republican presidents propped up saddam hussein { including many other dictators} and built the very military might that we went to war against in iraq.for no reason..how many of you 'real republican' parents out there are really proud and happy that your sons and daughters died for no reason? thats right! no reason at all, other than ol georgie boy wanted to avenge his daddy-whom by the way was never in any real danger- by sacrificing your child. the one you love dearly and now will never see again.and would you feel the same and would you still send them off to a made-up war knowing what we know now? is your childs life worth a politicians lies? I guess they are.stay with the republican party and by 2020 you will have used up all of your god fearing and cherished children for the wims of a party whose members do not claim a high record of military service themselves.its easy to send another ones children than to send themselves or their children.let me be straight right now: to those who faught/died and are fighting in iraq-the american people support you no matter what. and i personally thank you and i do believe that you joined and fight because you believe you are helping your country and my hope for you is victory-'we are there now'-we have to win and we will win and already have.but at what costs.So ******** and his babe georgie can safely smoke cigars and claim victory where there was none..these are the people you are supporting if you support this nationalistc party of hate mongers! 'Oh georgie b! must have been the cocaine binges that made you paranoid, that and a lack of military service with actual bullits licking at your @ss! and colin powell, you idiot! you get a pass even though you admitted that you thought the iraq war was wrong but still went anyway before the world and pointed to a milk truck from a satellite photo and said-see!-thats a WMD! and now you get a pass from repubs and dems alike! uncle toms and steppin fetchits will always be welcome in the republican party- it is a very comfortable and familiar feeling to them..This country is having a collective nervous breakdown! try dwelling on this: national unemployment is 9.7%-this means that 92.3% of the employable people are working and still have jobs.thats over 9 out of ten folks who are working and have jobs in the actual employment count..'china will not replace the U.S. as the wealthiest economy in the world-ever! think japan..people all over the world want to come here more than any other nations on the planet combined! U.S. actual wealth is vast and cannot even be seriously counted because of the particulars-such as mineral wealth, etc., of which china , india and japan lack big time: for instance- less than 10% of all gold deposits in the U.S. have never been mined, ever! this does not include other precious metals, minerals and natural wealth which other nations on the planet do not posess..we are an 'oil exporting country'.The value of our economic output is 4 times larger in monetary value than china's is..having china and other nations enriched and prosperous actually enriches ourselves even further..This country will never allow any nation-ever- to pass it up by wealth or might! and that cuts across party lines-at least there is agreement there on that issue..we are the only nation ever that has had the ability to prject our military might in so many places at so many times at once..russia cant do this. china cant do this. britain or france cant do this.nor germany.we have forces stationed all over this damn planet-quick! name another country that has this ability? none, not one! china and russia cant send an armada around the world and continue a sustained conflict/s and at the same time keep thousands of troops stationed and based in japan, s. korea, germany, france, england, etc, add nauseum..A great thank you to roosevelt and truman..we will never forget- great democrats! republicans faught roosevelt tooth and nail in congress to stay out before we entered ww2..it took an attack by the japanese to get them to come around..'Isolationist tendencies' if left unchecked will undo us as a nation-you can thank your good ol boy repubs for this if it were to ever occure..and so, lets focus on what is right and good about our country and its economy and its great people and quit putting down other states as if we are drawing lines such as blue/red..'our enemies real or imagined already know that if we are divided, then we are the conquered!
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I think I agree with the above poster. It's a lot of words though, haha. But he's saying what a lotta people are thinking.

I live in the liberal of the liberal states, Massachusetts, and our ecnomoy is just great. It's been better in my short life, but everything sucks right now. We still have one of the lowest unemployment rates, and one of the lowest foreclosure rates. I met one person who was laid off, and she was from Connecticut.
Our cost of living is higher, because, there are a lot of services provided by the state that aren't provided by other states down south/west for example. We have the best public educational system in the country...it ain't free, but the up front cost means Massachusetts stays on top and attracts high-paying jobs.

Everyone who lives in Massachusetts in all likelihood can afford to stay here.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:51 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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A note to the one whom calls himself 'bigdave01' and others. what high cost of living are you speaking of? i live in cali. and for what i pay in just home rental costs, i could buy a home in my home state of michigan in a great area for a pittance.more than enough to make up for heating oil, by the way, which most homes in these cold areas do not use..heating oil is used mostly in rural areas.the majority of people now live in sub-burbs or urban areas in the states you speak of and heating oil is high even in good times, so i dont get where you are getting your info. and high cost heating oil { which you can say thanks' to republican leaning politicians who cater to the fuel and energy industry like carp feeding on dead meat} would not cancel out the savings on food, housing, clothing and other amenities that one can get in these great states.buying a home here in sac-town is also much cheaper than renting at this point because of the sly-deals { Theft } from banks and other lenders holding forclosed mortgages and lowering property values and hence lowering the huge tax base that was once available in this state { by the way: this all happened under a republican governor and a republican president}. heating costs will not convey any generalities of cost of living in the context you speak of. michigan has lower food costs, lower housing costs in all areas, etc. fuel is also cheaper. so to, are a college education. to just make up, out of thin air a reference such as a higher 'cost of living' and higher 'heating costs' only means you have not educated yourself on what the 'whole' cost of living index is and all of its variables and what they really mean.one can never use any one formula for this calculation..unregulated industry standards and wall streets 'legalized gangsters' have caused this mess with the backing of a republican party that looks more like a nationalistic, racially tinged nazi vision of the very people who embrace their policies { politicians reflect their -base- constituants} after all, this president is being thrown under the bus by those who claim a socialist takeover agenda -for cover- while really playing the race card..this is all interwined with this presidents race more than anything.combine this with greed from large deep pocket corporate lobbyists and the god, guns and patriotic themes of the I love "my' country crowd and we have a nationalized and one sided party of flakes and nuts who have admitted that they want this president to fail..Thats real patriotic and mighty white of you..Oh, and mr steel says thank you massa! this recession/depression has largley afflicted mostly poor whites {whites actually make up the bulk of those who are poor by the goverments standards } and blacks and hispanics the most-'thank you mr reagan for your unflattering and destructive act of deregulating wall street and big industry.not to mention the missiles you gave the iranians while in office by proxy through the contra costa rebels.im sure they were appreciated and will be much more so when they are actually used against us when we invade them because they have a few too many milking cows in the pasture! republican presidents propped up saddam hussein { including many other dictators} and built the very military might that we went to war against in iraq.for no reason..how many of you 'real republican' parents out there are really proud and happy that your sons and daughters died for no reason? thats right! no reason at all, other than ol georgie boy wanted to avenge his daddy-whom by the way was never in any real danger- by sacrificing your child. the one you love dearly and now will never see again.and would you feel the same and would you still send them off to a made-up war knowing what we know now? is your childs life worth a politicians lies? I guess they are.stay with the republican party and by 2020 you will have used up all of your god fearing and cherished children for the wims of a party whose members do not claim a high record of military service themselves.its easy to send another ones children than to send themselves or their children.let me be straight right now: to those who faught/died and are fighting in iraq-the american people support you no matter what. and i personally thank you and i do believe that you joined and fight because you believe you are helping your country and my hope for you is victory-'we are there now'-we have to win and we will win and already have.but at what costs.So ******** and his babe georgie can safely smoke cigars and claim victory where there was none..these are the people you are supporting if you support this nationalistc party of hate mongers! 'Oh georgie b! must have been the cocaine binges that made you paranoid, that and a lack of military service with actual bullits licking at your @ss! and colin powell, you idiot! you get a pass even though you admitted that you thought the iraq war was wrong but still went anyway before the world and pointed to a milk truck from a satellite photo and said-see!-thats a WMD! and now you get a pass from repubs and dems alike! uncle toms and steppin fetchits will always be welcome in the republican party- it is a very comfortable and familiar feeling to them..This country is having a collective nervous breakdown! try dwelling on this: national unemployment is 9.7%-this means that 92.3% of the employable people are working and still have jobs.thats over 9 out of ten folks who are working and have jobs in the actual employment count..'china will not replace the U.S. as the wealthiest economy in the world-ever! think japan..people all over the world want to come here more than any other nations on the planet combined! U.S. actual wealth is vast and cannot even be seriously counted because of the particulars-such as mineral wealth, etc., of which china , india and japan lack big time: for instance- less than 10% of all gold deposits in the U.S. have never been mined, ever! this does not include other precious metals, minerals and natural wealth which other nations on the planet do not posess..we are an 'oil exporting country'.The value of our economic output is 4 times larger in monetary value than china's is..having china and other nations enriched and prosperous actually enriches ourselves even further..This country will never allow any nation-ever- to pass it up by wealth or might! and that cuts across party lines-at least there is agreement there on that issue..we are the only nation ever that has had the ability to prject our military might in so many places at so many times at once..russia cant do this. china cant do this. britain or france cant do this.nor germany.we have forces stationed all over this damn planet-quick! name another country that has this ability? none, not one! china and russia cant send an armada around the world and continue a sustained conflict/s and at the same time keep thousands of troops stationed and based in japan, s. korea, germany, france, england, etc, add nauseum..A great thank you to roosevelt and truman..we will never forget- great democrats! republicans faught roosevelt tooth and nail in congress to stay out before we entered ww2..it took an attack by the japanese to get them to come around..'Isolationist tendencies' if left unchecked will undo us as a nation-you can thank your good ol boy repubs for this if it were to ever occure..and so, lets focus on what is right and good about our country and its economy and its great people and quit putting down other states as if we are drawing lines such as blue/red..'our enemies real or imagined already know that if we are divided, then we are the conquered!
that's a lot of points and little spacing! awesome!

Oh hey guys, I made another topic and it has a general trend of "overall" liberal states actually getting the least back for their contributions to the federal government while the the "overall" least liberal states get the most federal spending. That kind of sucks!
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Old 03-18-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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Arizona's economy fell off a cliff and it's pretty much a low tax, low regulation, all republican, socially and fiscally conservative state by a majority, and always has been.
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