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Old 04-15-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Downtown Miami: 7.5

Include the beaches: 9
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Old 04-15-2011, 05:51 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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manhattan from midtown to downtown acts as nycs main "downtown" and i give it a 10/10. Its perfect
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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For downtowns in big cities I've been to (examples by rank):

10. Paris (It has EVERYTHING, and there is even a high-rise section of Paris called Le Defense so you can't knock it for being short. The city feels alive like nature created it herself!)
09. New York (not a 10 to me because I don't feel quite the same level of natural connection between neighborhoods and buildings, with the exception of the outer boroughs and Central Park)
08. Chicago (almost as good as NYC, same problem with connection to people/buildings, not as big)
07. Miami
06. Minneapolis (nice, plenty to do, but feels immature or incomplete)
05. St. Louis
04. Columbus (SO new, SO spread out, but very up-and-coming and has mix of res., office, retail)
03. Austin (I'll never hear the end of this, but Austin doesn't gell very much to me. The neighborhoods are so new that I can't count them, and other than 6th St bar scene I have no idea what people do in downtown Austin)
02. Dayton
01. Gary (I know, not big, but no big city can be as bad as a "1" IMO, and I only DROVE thru Gary 'cause it looked terrible)
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Old 04-15-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Rochester
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I must admit, Rochester's isn't very good at all. I'll rate it on the following...

Architecture - 8/10
Nightlife - 3/10
Downtown Living - 4/10
Culture - 5/10
Density - 2/10
Skyline - 7/10
Shopping - 1/10

Overall, I'd give it a 4 out of 10. The only good nightlife in center city is in the East End. Shopping is non existent now that Midtown Plaza is gone and the place is a ghost town after 7PM. There are some new restaurants popping up and there is a current residential boom downtown, which is good news. Still though, in Rochester there is a lot left to be desired.

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Old 04-15-2011, 10:43 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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For downtowns in big cities I've been to (examples by rank):


[B]09. New York (not a 10 to me because I don't feel quite the same level of natural connection between neighborhoods and buildings, with the exception of the outer boroughs and Central Park)

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Can you explain this please. This doesnt make sense to me. A natural relationship between neighborhoods and buildings...wtf? You dont know what your talking about
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Old 04-16-2011, 01:15 AM
 
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I'd say that few of the Texas downtowns fare well against some other states'.

San Antonio's CBD has a lot of interesting old and new architecture, but it caters mainly to tourists, and has relatively few residents for a city its size. Austin's has more residents, but it is dominated by college students and people who still wish they were 21. Dallas's downtown is somewhat disappointing imo. It has gleaming skyscrapers, but seemingly few residents. I've only seen downtown Fort Worth from 35, so I can't really comment on it, and I haven't been to Houston's in years. Lubbock is trying to improve its downtown area, and has been successful with an area adjacent to it, but has a lot of work to do. Its architecture for the most part leaves a lot to be desired. It does have some clubs, a winery, a microbrewery, restaurants, a few museums, a civic center, and some residents, along with businesses and the usual attorneys. It needs an auditorium, I think (the city uses a 1950's-era structure on the Texas Tech campus that the university does not need), and more residents/businesses. I'd give Lubbock's downtown a 2, or possibly 3 if I'm generous. There's a lot more activity one mile to the west.
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Old 04-16-2011, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The City
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According to the Brookings Institute report the US has 5 fully developed downtowns

http://www.brookings.edu/metro/pubs/20051115_Birch.pdf (broken link)

Fully Developed Downtowns:
Boston
Chicago
NYC Lower Manhattan
NYC Midtown
Philadelphia


And 13 Emerging Downtowns:
Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cleveland
Denver
Los Angeles
Memphis
New Orleans
Norfolk
Portland
San Diego
San Francisco (To me fully developed personally)
Seattle

Downtowns on te edge of takeoff:
Chattanooga
Dallas
Miami
Milwaukee
Washington DC
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Old 04-16-2011, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Center City
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I'd say that few of the Texas downtowns fare well against some other states'.

San Antonio's CBD has a lot of interesting old and new architecture, but it caters mainly to tourists, and has relatively few residents for a city its size. Austin's has more residents, but it is dominated by college students and people who still wish they were 21. Dallas's downtown is somewhat disappointing imo. It has gleaming skyscrapers, but seemingly few residents. I've only seen downtown Fort Worth from 35, so I can't really comment on it, and I haven't been to Houston's in years. Lubbock is trying to improve its downtown area, and has been successful with an area adjacent to it, but has a lot of work to do. Its architecture for the most part leaves a lot to be desired. It does have some clubs, a winery, a microbrewery, restaurants, a few museums, a civic center, and some residents, along with businesses and the usual attorneys. It needs an auditorium, I think (the city uses a 1950's-era structure on the Texas Tech campus that the university does not need), and more residents/businesses. I'd give Lubbock's downtown a 2, or possibly 3 if I'm generous. There's a lot more activity one mile to the west.
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this (after all, "don't mess with Texas") but I find San Antonio to have the only vibrant dt in Texas. And I'm speaking of dt - not the Riverwalk. There is much there that caters to tourists, but there is ample residential within walking distance, with more and more residential development on the non-touristy parts of the river. The city preserved quite a bit of its historic architecture, re-purposing it for retail, hotels, restaurants, etc. at street level street, as opposed to the gleaming but empty office lobbies which predominate in the other large Texas cities. This, mixed in with the newer architecture, gives SA a more organic feel.
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Old 04-16-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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I'd give Tampa a 4. It has plenty of parks, more restaurants have come in and are staying open late. More residents live there now. The streetcar was extended into downtown. Public art is big down there. Plenty of cultural and sporting amenities. The city has been making the streets more ped friendly. The Riverwalk is almost complete. It always has free events.

It still lacks the shopping. Its also none adjacent to any city neighborhoods. Ybor City takes a lot of potential nightlife and foot traffic away. It still has a reputation as the citys financial center. Too many soup kitchens down there. Tampa in general has almost zero public transit.
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Old 04-16-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Denver
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According to the Brookings Institute report the US has 5 fully developed downtowns

http://www.brookings.edu/metro/pubs/20051115_Birch.pdf (broken link)

Fully Developed Downtowns:
Boston
Chicago
NYC Lower Manhattan
NYC Midtown
Philadelphia


And 13 Emerging Downtowns:
Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cleveland
Denver
Los Angeles
Memphis
New Orleans
Norfolk
Portland
San Diego
San Francisco (To me fully developed personally)
Seattle

Downtowns on te edge of takeoff:
Chattanooga
Dallas
Miami
Milwaukee
Washington DC
Is this based off of population? If so, NOLA should be on the developed list. And I figure the same for D.C. and probably SF too.
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