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Old 04-06-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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The numbers seem to be BS. Like Utah gets 87 in IQ, while California gets 101. However, California has one of the worst school results in the country, while Utah is near the top.
California IMPORTS a lot of its talent, necessary to staff the tech industries and other complex lines of work. What does Utah have to compare to Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA and Cal Tech? Nothing.

Massachusetts, New England, and the Upper Midwest (MN) in the top tiers. No surprise.
Washington state pretty high. No surprise. SEA is one of the most degreed cities in the US.
Texas holding down the 100 mark. OK. Texas is very dichotomous.
Mississippi in last place. On so many polls, MS is maligned.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:06 AM
 
Location: south central
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Massachusetts Numer One! So what's up?
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Its amazing how poorly the IQ data correlates to those states doing good in this economy. I suppose it shows IQ doesnt account for common sense in the job creation game or something like that.
This is a simplification, but it doesn't take too many smart people to make money out of oil. Also, your perception is inaccurate. The smartest state (by this list) has one of the stronger state economies.
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Given how Texas teaches to do well on tests in public schools and the liberal states call that a bad idea, how did texas do so poorly? If those states who did well on the IQ test think testing is so invalid, does that mean this list is useless?
It is a bad idea -- you can see from these results that teaching to the test doesn't promote better performance.
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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I mean no disrespect to anyone, but the reality is that a list on the IQs of states could be broken down to the primary factor of race.

States with high numbers of blacks and hispanics (most are mestizo (part "native-american"/part white) or "native-american") score lower than states with fewer blacks or "hispanics". You can generally look at demographic lists, and there is a general trend indicating this to be true.

Nearly every study validates the claim that blacks and hispanics score the lowest on IQ tests, while Asians and whites (European-descent) score the highest. Thus, it stands to reason that the average IQs of a state will take this into consideration.

Of course, there are other variables, such as socioeconomic status, but the primary factor is race.

Many liberals like to take a correlation (conservative states tend to be lower IQ) to argue that one has to be of a low IQ to be conservative. What they don't consider is that in those lower IQ states, it is generally blacks and/or hispanics which have lowered the IQ score for the state, and these are the same people who are most apt to vote for a Democrat, the party of most liberals. On the other hand, those residents on the higher end of the IQ spectrum in a low-IQ state are generally more conservative. In states with high percentages of blacks, their white residents tend to be very conservative (namely the influence of religion, as noted below), so much so that the increased rate of conservatism enables its residents to elect state-wide officials who are conservative like themselves, despite the higher percentage of blacks who tend to vote for more liberal candidates.

In the South, religion is very important. Religion plays a role in a person upholding values and morals which many deem conservative. It so happens that in these very same states, they happen to have a large percentage of blacks. Thus, it isn't conservatism or religion driving the lower IQ, rather it is the demographic racial component which is the main reason that a state may or may not score high on a list.

While there are mild fluctuations in IQ amongst the states, even amongst whites, or in-group within every group, those mild differences are generally the result of other, more milder variables that effect IQ, such as socioeconomic status, access to resources, etc.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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I mean no disrespect to anyone, but the reality is that a list on the IQs of states could be broken down to the primary factor of race.

States with high numbers of blacks and hispanics (most are mestizo (part "native-american"/part white) or "native-american") score lower than states with fewer blacks or "hispanics". You can generally look at demographic lists, and there is a general trend indicating this to be true.

Nearly every study validates the claim that blacks and hispanics score the lowest on IQ tests, while Asians and whites (European-descent) score the highest. Thus, it stands to reason that the average IQs of a state will take this into consideration.

Of course, there are other variables, such as socioeconomic status, but the primary factor is race.

Many liberals like to take a correlation (conservative states tend to be lower IQ) to argue that one has to be of a low IQ to be conservative. What they don't consider is that in those lower IQ states, it is generally blacks and/or hispanics which have lowered the IQ score for the state, and these are the same people who are most apt to vote for a Democrat, the party of most liberals. On the other hand, those residents on the higher end of the IQ spectrum in a low-IQ state are generally more conservative. In states with high percentages of blacks, their white residents tend to be very conservative (namely the influence of religion, as noted below), so much so that the increased rate of conservatism enables its residents to elect state-wide officials who are conservative like themselves, despite the higher percentage of blacks who tend to vote for more liberal candidates.

In the South, religion is very important. Religion plays a role in a person upholding values and morals which many deem conservative. It so happens that in these very same states, they happen to have a large percentage of blacks. Thus, it isn't conservatism or religion driving the lower IQ, rather it is the demographic racial component which is the main reason that a state may or may not score high on a list.

While there are mild fluctuations in IQ amongst the states, even amongst whites, or in-group within every group, those mild differences are generally the result of other, more milder variables that effect IQ, such as socioeconomic status, access to resources, etc.
Intelligent Quotients SHOULD measure intelligence capability....not so much how book smart one is. Black, white, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever, if you're intelligent, you're intelligent. Somebody figuring out the correlation between patterns or connecting the dots should not need to know English or have a college degree to solve the problem. Besides, by saying whiter states have better IQ's, you're essentially saying blacks, Hispanics, etc. aren't intelligent, which I don't agree with.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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The numbers seem to be BS. Like Utah gets 87 in IQ, while California gets 101. However, California has one of the worst school results in the country, while Utah is near the top.

What seems to happen is that they have ranked IQ by asking liberal questions, such as "Has Obama recovered the economy?" I have seen it been done before, by professors who lacks any form of morals. Biased researches who have no problems lying, or using dishonest numbers to further their agenda, is one of the main reason people lose faith in science.

This ranking makes a lot more sense
Average IQ by State: Honest Numbers at Last | VDARE.com
IQ does not equal good test scores, per se! Anyone who does NOT understand this concept is LIKELY also dragging down their state's score!
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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why don't we just send a bunch of the dumb people to the smart states for a couple of months so they can get smarter and go back to their old states and teach the others back there to be smart?
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Why are people responding to this thread as if the list is accurate? There is actually no reliable data on IQ by state, all such lists are works of fiction.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I mean no disrespect to anyone, but the reality is that a list on the IQs of states could be broken down to the primary factor of race.

States with high numbers of blacks and hispanics (most are mestizo (part "native-american"/part white) or "native-american") score lower than states with fewer blacks or "hispanics". You can generally look at demographic lists, and there is a general trend indicating this to be true.

Nearly every study validates the claim that blacks and hispanics score the lowest on IQ tests, while Asians and whites (European-descent) score the highest. Thus, it stands to reason that the average IQs of a state will take this into consideration.

Of course, there are other variables, such as socioeconomic status, but the primary factor is race.

Many liberals like to take a correlation (conservative states tend to be lower IQ) to argue that one has to be of a low IQ to be conservative. What they don't consider is that in those lower IQ states, it is generally blacks and/or hispanics which have lowered the IQ score for the state, and these are the same people who are most apt to vote for a Democrat, the party of most liberals. On the other hand, those residents on the higher end of the IQ spectrum in a low-IQ state are generally more conservative. In states with high percentages of blacks, their white residents tend to be very conservative (namely the influence of religion, as noted below), so much so that the increased rate of conservatism enables its residents to elect state-wide officials who are conservative like themselves, despite the higher percentage of blacks who tend to vote for more liberal candidates.

In the South, religion is very important. Religion plays a role in a person upholding values and morals which many deem conservative. It so happens that in these very same states, they happen to have a large percentage of blacks. Thus, it isn't conservatism or religion driving the lower IQ, rather it is the demographic racial component which is the main reason that a state may or may not score high on a list.

While there are mild fluctuations in IQ amongst the states, even amongst whites, or in-group within every group, those mild differences are generally the result of other, more milder variables that effect IQ, such as socioeconomic status, access to resources, etc.
Wow....................................... You mixed in a little racism with a little bit of partisan politics to make a great big stew of shenanigans.

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Old 04-07-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Wow....................................... You mixed in a little racism with a little bit of partisan politics to make a great big stew of shenanigans.
I mixed in nothing that hasn't been studied and verified countless times. It was simply what I believe to be the correct reason for states having different mean IQs. That is all.

You can look into it more than you wish, but I mean no disrespect to anyone.
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