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Old 04-03-2009, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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ioc will be meeting with the protesters
Protesters get meeting with IOC team :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Chicago 2016 (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/olympics/1515096,olympics-protesters-ioc-chicago-040709.article - broken link)
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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I would assume it's between Chicago and Rio.

If we look at past Olympics:

1980: Europe
1984: North America
1988: Asia
1992: Europe
1996: North America
2000: Australia
2004: Europe
2008: Asia
2012: Europe

I can't see them giving it to Europe for the 3rd time out of 4 games. Asia had them in 2008, and Tokyo has already had them.

Of course I have no idea who will get them, and there are lots of other things to look at other than just "who had them last". I'll be shocked if they go to Europe AGAIN though. Tokyo would be a surprise, but I think it's a toss up between Rio and Chicago.
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:39 PM
 
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I would assume it's between Chicago and Rio.

If we look at past Olympics:

1980: Europe
1984: North America
1988: Asia
1992: Europe
1996: North America
2000: Australia
2004: Europe
2008: Asia
2012: Europe

I can't see them giving it to Europe for the 3rd time out of 4 games. Asia had them in 2008, and Tokyo has already had them.

Of course I have no idea who will get them, and there are lots of other things to look at other than just "who had them last". I'll be shocked if they go to Europe AGAIN though. Tokyo would be a surprise, but I think it's a toss up between Rio and Chicago.
I think you are right. It's Rio's or Chicago's to lose. The only problem is that there is a good chance the respective financial murkiness of their proposals will lose it for both of them.

The lack of financial guarantees and anti-Americanism already sunk the NYC bid. Obama and the new administration might overcome some of the anti-Americanism, but a large amount of the world blames the U.S.'s recklessness for global financial crisis.

As for Rio, I think the IOC would overlook the crime and other technical weaknesses of their bid, but if it isn't rock solid financially they will pass on it to avoid another Athens. Also, don't forget that Brazil is the host of the 2014 World Cup in a soccer mad country. This is bound to effect their bid in terms of sponsorship, local ticket sales, and logistical manpower for the Olympics.

It's really all about IOC member's tolerance for risk and getting a potentially terrific Olympics in Rio or Chicago, or a plain vanilla one in Tokyo, which will suffer in comparison to the recent Beijing Olympics.
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Old 05-25-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Default Chicago, THE UNITED STATES, and the 2016 Olympics

Are you anxiously awaiting the October 2nd date when the IOC makes its decision as to which city will get the 2016 Olympics?

Relax. You don't have to wait. The mystery is over. I have the irrefutible answer for you right now: CHICAGO.

I'm not trying to create a parallel thread about Chicago and the Olympics because mine has little to do with Chicago. My thread here is actually THE UNITED STATES and the 2016 Olympics. It's about the US.

It's a done deal and it has little to do with the impressive merits of our incredible city's bid in relationship to how Rio, Madrid, or Tokyo presented themselves. It's not about Chicago actually. It is about the United States of America.

And this economic mess the globe is now in that was led there by the US is still so dominated by the United States that it ironically needs America to lead the way out. There is no way that a 2016 Olympics that has "STIMULUS" written all over it from finanacing to shipment of materials to construction to public relations to advertising to attendance and broadcasting and tourism at the actual games theseles is going anywhere but to the United States where the world and the IOC rightfully know it has to go for the necessity of something far more important than where athletes will show their skills:

the whole, damned global economy.

Bottom line: the IOC knows that it has no choice but to help the recovery of the US economy at a dire time in global history where anything that improves economic conditions in the United States (and the Olympic games are a huge factor in any country that gets them), it knows there is no choice to be made. Chicago, or actually the United States, has basically selected itself.

As noted, this is not a Chicago thread. If LA had gotten the bid over Chicago, the games would be played there. If San Francisco had stayed in the running rather than dropping out and got the bid, the games would be played there. If Houston and/or Philadelphia had made it to the cut-of-three and been selected as the US olympic city, either one of them would have been the host. And it goes without saying that if NYC had had a crystal ball and had chose to go for 2016 bid rather than the 2012 one, we'd be having the Big Apple Games.

Point being: if either Omaha, Spokane, Fresno, Macon, or Scranton were carrying the 2016 US olympic bid today, that city would get it.

If you are a wagering type of person, skip the trip to Vegas or even to a Fox Valley riverboat, a toxic Indiana harbor or Pottawatomi. Obviously skip the suckers game that is the lottery. And, for heaven sakes, shun that wacky casino called Wall Street. Just place a bet...a big bet (unload all those shoe boxes under the bed) and put your money smack on Chicago getting the bid. A sure bet. You may become the next Trump.

If you're waiting for the Fat Lady to sing to end it all, forgetaboutit! She's already belted out her tune loud and clear: "My Kind of Town, Chicago Is". And she's wearing a subprime skirt, bursted housing bubble blouse, AIG anklets, a belt on loan from China, GM radial thread shoes, and a hat made out of derivitives...all red and white and blue.

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Old 05-25-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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Interesting rationale. I suppose this assume that ALL the various INTERNATIONAL members of the IOC Selection Committee are immune to any pressure from THEIR local construction, advertising, pr, tourism, travel, hotel, etc business owners... Seems unlikely.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:23 AM
 
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Interesting rationale. I suppose this assume that ALL the various INTERNATIONAL members of the IOC Selection Committee are immune to any pressure from THEIR local construction, advertising, pr, tourism, travel, hotel, etc business owners... Seems unlikely.
chris, it is hardly just the bid nations voting. The IOC will pick Chicago for selfishly correct reasons: economic effect. Neither Japan and certainly not Spain or Brazil can overcome the economic necessity of the US bid.

The world will be little affected by the way Spain, Brazil and even Japan stimulate themselves. The world is greatly affected by how the United States does it.

Keep in mind that I purposely left out any pressure the US can and will exert. I did it because it is meaningless. The US doesn't have to exert pressure; the world reality of 2009 is all the pressure the US needs. It speaks for us.
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:16 AM
 
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It's between Chicago and Japan.

Rio is a third world nation that doesn't have the facilities. Madrid simply doesn't have the facilities.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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It's between Chicago and Japan.

Rio is a third world nation that doesn't have the facilities. Madrid simply doesn't have the facilities.
again, cold, i'm saying the IOC will care little about the relatively same offerings these city can offer and go for the economic shot in the arm for the US that the world sorely needs.

I am convinced that it will the US impact on the world and its need for a healthy United States that will be the decision maker...and that it is already made.
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:23 PM
 
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Anyone who claims to "have the market beat" - the market will make a fool of them every time.

That goes for the Olympic probabilities market too.

A lot depends on US actions in next 4 months, Obama's global popularity numbers, etc. To a lesser extent, events within Chicago will also influence the discussion. (skyrocketing crime not helping matters..)

I'm sure the South Koreans were just as confident as you, days before the 2014 bid.

Off topic, but your premise of the US "leading the world out" is a false one. The "leadership out", could just as easily come from:
- China, assuming they can bring their have-nots out of poverty.
- Canada, given their resources, banking system (as good as Swiss), social stability, beneficiary position re: climate change, etc. They have a golden opportunity to expand their economy/influence on the world stage. If they chose, they could relegate the US to second-banana N.American status in 10 years.
- less likely but possible: India, Brazil

US leading the way also assumes ceaseless consumer-driven global economy. (another falsehood)
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