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Old 01-30-2009, 12:01 PM
 
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those are all great replies, thanks. Also another question, how come suburbanization has not happened in the west yet? Big cities continue to grow, as well as their surrounding suburbs, like...

Las Vegas
Los Angeles
SF By area (anywhere in cali is pretty much all inclining in population)
Dallas
Houston
Austin, TX
San antonio
even Oklahoma city is growing since its birth, and was never in a decline.
Phoenix
Albuquerque, NM

Basically every big city in the west and its suburbs are growing, with non of those cities ever having a period of decline whatsoever. So basically my question is, if the big cities in the east are declining because the people are moving to the suburbs, why isn't it happening to the west side, whereas both the big cities AND its suburbs continue to grow? Are we going to see a east side trend happen to the west side in the near future?

also keep in mind that now 7 of the top 10 biggest cities lie in the west.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Coastal Northeast
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Firstoff, Richmond isn't in the Northeast...
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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Firstoff, Richmond isn't in the Northeast...
just like chicago, i meant to say
Richmond, VA (not really NE, but still close)
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:08 PM
 
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those are all great replies, thanks. Also another question, how come suburbanization has not happened in the west yet? Big cities continue to grow, as well as their surrounding suburbs, like...

Las Vegas
Los Angeles
SF By area (anywhere in cali is pretty much all inclining in population)
Dallas
Houston
Austin, TX
San antonio
even Oklahoma city is growing since its birth, and was never in a decline.
Phoenix
Albuquerque, NM

Basically every big city in the west and its suburbs are growing, with non of those cities ever having a period of decline whatsoever. So basically my question is, if the big cities in the east are declining because the people are moving to the suburbs, why isn't it happening to the west side, whereas both the big cities AND its suburbs continue to grow? Are we going to see a east side trend happen to the west side in the near future?

also keep in mind that now 7 of the top 10 biggest cities lie in the west.
God dude. The southwestern cities are growing due to migration of imigrants. It isn't the same thing as the N.E. All imigration came into the N.E. and city/rural/small town living was pretty much the only way of living up to the 1950s. It wasn't till then did the suburbs start to exist for middle class people. This is why the N.E. has dropped.

The west is the same thing. Their cities are more like Eastern suburbs. Suburbination in the west takes place in many city limits of western cities.

The N.E. is an old man, where most of the west are just teens going through puberty.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:09 PM
 
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The reason for the declines in the OP are not migration south and west, but suburbanization. As gdude posted about Detroit, so too have all of those other cities declined as their suburbs boomed. You can find the same trends in older industrial cities in the South like Norfolk, Birmingham, and others.

The population of the Northeast as a whole continues to grow (granted, slower than in the booming regions due to lower fertility, migration).
Exactly! The OP listed central city poulations only, when the real comparo is metro-to-metro.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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God dude. The southwestern cities are growing due to migration of imigrants. It isn't the same thing as the N.E. All imigration came into the N.E. and city/rural/small town living was pretty much the only way of living up to the 1950s. It wasn't till then did the suburbs start to exist for middle class people. This is why the N.E. has dropped.

The west is the same thing. Their cities are more like Eastern suburbs. Suburbination in the west takes place in many city limits of western cities.

The N.E. is an old man, where most of the west are just teens going through puberty.
LOL, yes i know the west is young, but their population is now HUGE (7 top ten cities are in west side), so we would expect a east side trend? no?
I know for a fact immigration is one factor, but just one. there has to be many others. I mean, Phoenix has more people than Philly now, so phoenix's population will decline to the suburbs? the suburbs is tempe, mesa, scottsdale, etc...all inclining. you understand what i am asking?
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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those are all great replies, thanks. Also another question, how come suburbanization has not happened in the west yet? Big cities continue to grow, as well as their surrounding suburbs, like...

Las Vegas
Los Angeles
SF By area (anywhere in cali is pretty much all inclining in population)
Dallas
Houston
Austin, TX
San antonio
even Oklahoma city is growing since its birth, and was never in a decline.
Phoenix
Albuquerque, NM

Basically every big city in the west and its suburbs are growing, with non of those cities ever having a period of decline whatsoever. So basically my question is, if the big cities in the east are declining because the people are moving to the suburbs, why isn't it happening to the west side, whereas both the big cities AND its suburbs continue to grow? Are we going to see a east side trend happen to the west side in the near future?

also keep in mind that now 7 of the top 10 biggest cities lie in the west.
Because many of those cities mentioned are suburban in nature and very spread out. In the northeast when people wanted to move, they'd go out of the city limits and buy a decent sized house with a good sized plot of land. In many of these growing western cities, the city limits are bigger and include areas that would be considered independent suburbs in the northeast.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:22 PM
 
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I mean, Phoenix has more people than Philly now, so phoenix's population will decline to the suburbs?
At some point Phoenix's pop growth will flatten out, and eventually drop off. It's the life cycle of any city. Right now it's just a pup.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:26 PM
 
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The Western Metro areas move outward (sprawl) while the Northeastern Metro areas move upward (tall buildings, even in the suburbs).
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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Because many of those cities mentioned are suburban in nature and very spread out. In the northeast when people wanted to move, they'd go out of the city limits and buy a decent sized house with a good sized plot of land. In many of these growing western cities, the city limits are bigger and include areas that would be considered independent suburbs in the northeast.
thanks! that sounds like a great answer, right or wrong. lol
anyone have other suggestions?
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