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Old 01-30-2009, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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God dude. The southwestern cities are growing due to migration of imigrants. It isn't the same thing as the N.E. All imigration came into the N.E. and city/rural/small town living was pretty much the only way of living up to the 1950s. It wasn't till then did the suburbs start to exist for middle class people. This is why the N.E. has dropped.

The west is the same thing. Their cities are more like Eastern suburbs. Suburbination in the west takes place in many city limits of western cities.

The N.E. is an old man, where most of the west are just teens going through puberty.
The Southwestern cities are not just growing due to migration of immigrants. For many people I've met from the NE and Midwest, they see the West/Southwest as offering new opportunities. Nicer weather (I hear that a lot), lower cost of living, and better job opportunities are the top reasons for the migration. Also, if the parents move out West/Southwest, there is a new place for the children to call home now. In addition, if the kids move out West, it is not uncommon for the parents to move out to be closer to them (especially as they age, and need caregiving). Also, more people are traveling now than in years past, so people have an opportunity to see what life is like outside of their usual bubbles (whether it be on the east coast, middle of the country, or west coast). They may like what they see, and choose to make a lifestyle change.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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I grew up in Boston and still live here.
People who live within the city limits are having far fewer children.
The home I own right now is a perfect example. In 1950 it was a two- family home. There was a family upstairs with 6 girls and one boy along with their parents. Downstairs was a husband and wife.
That's 10 people.
Now the house is a single family with just my wife and I.
That is the way it is all across Boston. Homes that in 1950 would have been bursting at the seams with big Irish and Italian families now house a professional couple with one or two children.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Coastal Northeast
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I grew up in Boston and still live here.
People who live within the city limits are having far fewer children.
The home I own right now is a perfect example. In 1950 it was a two- family home. There was a family upstairs with 6 girls and one boy along with their parents. Downstairs was a husband and wife.
That's 10 people.
Now the house is a single family with just my wife and I.
That is the way it is all across Boston. Homes that in 1950 would have been bursting at the seams with big Irish and Italian families now house a professional couple with one or two children.
That's pretty much the trend in all large cities in the Northeast and across the country.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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That's pretty much the trend in all large cities in the Northeast and across the country.
Understood.
The OP implied that these cities were somehow decaying and that isn't the case.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Coastal Northeast
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Understood.
The OP implied that these cities were somehow decaying and that isn't the case.
Agreed. Boston is flourishing thanks to young college grads, NYC is the destination for so many across the world. Hardly signs of decay.

The only decay I see is the incredible amount of foreclosures in places like CA, FL, GA, VA, etc. Those areas boomed too quickly, and are now on the decline, IMHO. Whether it will be short term or long term, time will tell.
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Old 01-30-2009, 01:24 PM
 
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Cold weather and high cost of living are reasons they leave. I don't blame them. In fact, I will be leaving at the end of the summer.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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Check out Detroit,Michigan

CensusCity[97]MSA[98]CSA[99]18201,422N/AN/A

18302,222
18409,102
185021,019
186045,619
187079,577
1880116,368
1890205,877 MSA CSA
1900285,704 542,452 664,771
1910465,766 725,064 867,250
1920993,678 1,426,704 1,639,006
19301,568,662 2,325,739 2,655,395
19401,623,452 2,544,287 2,911,681
19501,849,568 3,219,256 3,700,490
19601,670,144 4,012,607 4,660,480
19701,514,063 4,490,902 5,289,766
19801,203,368 4,387,783 5,203,269
19901,027,974 4,266,654 5,095,695
2000951,270 4,441,551 5,357,538
2007*916,952 4,467,592 5,405,918*Estimates
I'm not finding anything but city proper populations by following the links here. I'm interested in knowing how to reach the information on MSA and CSA population. You've got data for MSA and CSA listed for years before the Census Bureau had defined these categories. I'm curious about whether the Census Bureaua provides estimates of what would have been the MSA and CSA populations if these categories had existed early in the 20th century. If so, where can I find this information?
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:29 PM
 
Location: New York City
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It has a lot to do with money. There's practically no such thing as a $200,000 house in the New York Metropolitan area (you'd have to go Pennsylvania and that's a very long commute). Exurban Phoenix and Las Vegas are full of $200,000 (or less) houses. People leave the northeast because they can get more for their money elsewhere.

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Old 01-30-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: a bar
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Cold weather and high cost of living are reasons they leave.
The high cost of living helps keep the riffraff out.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:37 PM
 
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Because there moving to places like Dallas Houston Atlanta CHarlotte etc Much cheaper to live in the South you get more for your money down here. I know in Atl there are alot of people from DC LA NYC Philly Chicago here
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