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Old 02-14-2009, 01:49 PM
 
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Nope If i couold i would live in another country
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:07 PM
 
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I didn't become an American by my own merit, nor am I proud of the actions of others.
You mean you didn't demand to live in Sri Lanka after exiting the womb? I'm absolutely astounded.

...and you're not proud of the actions of others?? Well why on earth aren't you? I assumed you controlled everyone.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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Well, Vasinger, it's nice to see you're still alive and kicking. I don't personally understand this notion of beating one's chest though and being so ethnocentric and geocentric. If you were a true God-fearing Christian, you'd realize that ALL men were created equally; Americans were not the "chosen race." We may be more technologically-advanced than Rwanda or more financially-advantaged than the slums of Sao Paolo, but in the end we all still bleed red, feel pain, and experience the same emotions.

It's very, very cocky for all of you (mostly Southerners may I add) to beat your chests saying "Love it or leave it" (often with some lame country music theme playing softly in the background, as if you need to love country music to be considered a "true" American---whatever that really is). I DO love living in America. With that said it is not an unconditional love, nor is it a "perfect" love, as with any relationship. There are plenty of things we ought to improve upon. Our nation is too materialistic and shallow, overall, which is evidenced by the "spend, spend, spend" mentality of the late-1990s-early-to-mid-2000s that drove us into our present economic crisis, as well as such social injustices as the "Don't Ask; Don't Tell" policy (i.e. if you're gay we don't want you in our ranks), and our high violent crime rate, amongst other ailments plaguing the U.S. Our public educational system is falling behind, our infrastructure is deteriorating (people in the world's most advanced nation shouldn't be driving over bridges that randomly collapse into rivers in major cities), and tens of millions are uninsured because they can't afford the escalating costs of health insurance.

Don't fault me because I strive to create a more perfect Union. "Love it or leave it" is something those without much potential or ambition usually say because they are baffled on as to how to continuously strive to make things better, as they OUGHT to be!
Perhaps you are trying to read too much into things. By greatest country- I certainly dont mean we are superior. I mean greatest in terms of freedom! Just look at the precious freedoms we have here in America. Try living in the Middle East and you'll see what I mean.

God truly blessed this great nation of ours. I feel proud to be a Virginian, and I am TRULY blessed to be a Christian, but I am also so lucky and blessed to be born in the freest nation on earth.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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You're confusing "favor" with "like".

And as I said before, in Christian theology, often times gifts from God are free gifts given to those who don't deserve them. In such theology, God sometimes gives some people gifts so that they can gift others. I believe this is why God has gifted Europe and America so richly.
alright I see what you mean now.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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Perhaps you are trying to read too much into things. By greatest country- I certainly dont mean we are superior. I mean greatest in terms of freedom! Just look at the precious freedoms we have here in America. Try living in the Middle East and you'll see what I mean.

God truly blessed this great nation of ours. I feel proud to be a Virginian, and I am TRULY blessed to be a Christian, but I am also so lucky and blessed to be born in the freest nation on earth.
what freedoms do you have in america that those in europe don't have? compared to the middle-east then yeah you are very free but so are europe or even russia compared to them.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:50 PM
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I AM! This is truly a gift from God to be an American!

We are the greatest country in the world. We are also have freedoms that most people in other parts of the world have to die for.



I got to thinking I dont care anymore about North-South or EAST-WEST

WE ARE ALL AMERICANS! United under God!

I love this great country. Whether you're in the hills of TN or the Prairies of Texas or the Rocky Beaches of New England- Its America!

I love being an American. How about you??
I used to be and am still trying to be. My concern is that the changes that are being made may change this nation into somewhere I don't want to be. I like law and order and personal freedoms. I wish I knew for sure that our current president was actually a USA citizen and that he cares for our constitution, but his actions in not answering the courts questions and getting law suit after law suit dismissed rather than giving the information makes me wonder about whether or not the country will survive as a free country. I would be more proud to be an American if the congress and the president would act in a responsible manner and be more accountable to the people they serve.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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but I am also so lucky and blessed to be born in the freest nation on earth.

Democracy Index:


1 Sweden 9.88 Full democracy
2 Norway 9.68 Full democracy
3 Iceland 9.65 Full democracy
4 Netherlands 9.53 Full democracy
5 Denmark 9.52 Full democracy
6 Finland 9.25 Full democracy
7 New Zealand 9.19 Full democracy
8 Switzerland 9.15 Full democracy
9 Luxembourg 9.10 Full democracy
10 Australia 9.09 Full democracy
11 Canada 9.07 Full democracy
12 Ireland 9.01 Full democracy
13 Germany 8.82 Full democracy
14 Austria 8.49 Full democracy
15 Spain 8.45 Full democracy
16 Malta 8.39 Full democracy
17 Japan 8.25 Full democracy
18 United States 8.22 Full democracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

Economic Freedom Index:

1 Hong Kong 90.0 +0.3
2 Singapore 87.1 -0.2
3 Australia 82.6 +0.4
4 Ireland 82.2 -0.3
5 New Zealand 82.0 +1.2
6 United States 80.7 -0.3
7 Canada 80.5 +0.3
8 Denmark 80.0 +0.4
9 Switzerland 79.4 -0.1
10 United Kingdom 79.0 -0.5

http://www.heritage.org/Index/

Press Freedom Index:

1 Iceland 1.50 0.75 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
1 Luxembourg 1.50
1 Norway 1.50 0.75 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
4 Estonia 2.00 1.00 2.00 1.50 2.00 2.50
4 Finland 2.00 1.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
4 Republic of Ireland 2.00 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 2.83 1.00
7 Belgium 3.00 1.50 4.00 4.00 4.00 1.17 3.50
7 Latvia 3.00 3.00 2.50 1.00 2.25
7 New Zealand 3.00 4.17 5.00 2.00 0.67 2.83
7 Slovakia 3.00 1.00 2.50 0.75 0.50 2.50
7 Sweden 3.00 1.50 4.00 2.00 2.00 1.50 1.50
7 Switzerland 3.00 3.00 2.50 0.50 0.50 2.50 4.25
13 Canada 3.33 4.88 4.50 4.50 3.33 1.83 0.75
14 Austria 3.50 4.25 4.50 2.50 3.25 2.75 7.50
14 Denmark 3.50 2.00 5.00 0.50 0.50 1.00 3.00
16 Czech Republic 4.00 4.00 0.75 1.00 3.50 2.50 11.25
16 Lithuania 4.00 7.00 6.50 4.50 3.00 2.83
16 Netherlands 4.00 3.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
16 Portugal 4.00 2.00 3.00 4.83 4.50 5.17 1.50
20 Germany 4.50 5.75 5.50 4.00 2.00 1.33 1.50
21 Jamaica 4.88 8.63 5.50 7.50 4.17 3.33
22 Costa Rica 5.10 6.50 6.67 8.50 7.63 3.83 4.25
23 Hungary 5.50 4.50 3.00 2.00 6.00 3.33 6.50
23 Namibia 5.50 8.50 6.00 5.50 10.00 11.00 8.00
23 United Kingdom 5.50 8.25 6.50 5.17 6.00 4.25 6.00
26 Suriname 6.00
27 Trinidad and Tobago 6.13 5.00 5.00 2.00 2.00 1.00
28 Australia 6.25 8.79 9.00 6.50 9.50 9.25 3.50
29 Japan 6.50 11.75 12.50 8.00 10.00 8.00 7.50
30 Slovenia 7.33 6.50 3.00 1.00 2.25 3.00 4.00
31 Cyprus 7.50 14.00 7.50 5.50 22.00 20.83 pre-2005 data included Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
31 Ghana 7.50 9.00 8.50 15.00 13.50 8.75 23.00
31 Greece 7.50 9.25 8.00 4.00 7.00 6.00 5.00
31 Mali 7.50 16.50 9.00 8.00 12.83 11.00 12.50
35 France 7.67 9.75 9.00 6.25 3.50 4.17 3.25
36 Bosnia and Herzegovina 8.00 11.17 5.00 7.00 3.67 6.83 12.50
36 Cape Verde 8.00 14.00 11.50 6.00 8.75 8.25 13.75
36 South Africa 8.00 13.00 11.25 6.50 5.00 3.33 7.50
36 Spain 8.00 10.25 10.00 8.33 9.00 7.67 7.75
36 Republic of China (Taiwan) 8.00 10.00 10.50 12.25 14.25 12.00 9.00
36 United States 8.00 14.50 13.00 9.50 4.00 6.00 4.75

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025

While better than most, the US is clearly not the freest in any category that I know of.
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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Democracy Index:


1 Sweden 9.88 Full democracy
2 Norway 9.68 Full democracy
3 Iceland 9.65 Full democracy
4 Netherlands 9.53 Full democracy
5 Denmark 9.52 Full democracy
6 Finland 9.25 Full democracy
7 New Zealand 9.19 Full democracy
8 Switzerland 9.15 Full democracy
9 Luxembourg 9.10 Full democracy
10 Australia 9.09 Full democracy
11 Canada 9.07 Full democracy
12 Ireland 9.01 Full democracy
13 Germany 8.82 Full democracy
14 Austria 8.49 Full democracy
15 Spain 8.45 Full democracy
16 Malta 8.39 Full democracy
17 Japan 8.25 Full democracy
18 United States 8.22 Full democracy

Democracy Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Economic Freedom Index:

1 Hong Kong 90.0 +0.3
2 Singapore 87.1 -0.2
3 Australia 82.6 +0.4
4 Ireland 82.2 -0.3
5 New Zealand 82.0 +1.2
6 United States 80.7 -0.3
7 Canada 80.5 +0.3
8 Denmark 80.0 +0.4
9 Switzerland 79.4 -0.1
10 United Kingdom 79.0 -0.5

Index of Economic Freedom: Link Between Economic Opportunity and Prosperity | The Heritage Foundation

Press Freedom Index:

1 Iceland 1.50 0.75 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
1 Luxembourg 1.50
1 Norway 1.50 0.75 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
4 Estonia 2.00 1.00 2.00 1.50 2.00 2.50
4 Finland 2.00 1.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
4 Republic of Ireland 2.00 2.00 0.50 0.50 0.50 2.83 1.00
7 Belgium 3.00 1.50 4.00 4.00 4.00 1.17 3.50
7 Latvia 3.00 3.00 2.50 1.00 2.25
7 New Zealand 3.00 4.17 5.00 2.00 0.67 2.83
7 Slovakia 3.00 1.00 2.50 0.75 0.50 2.50
7 Sweden 3.00 1.50 4.00 2.00 2.00 1.50 1.50
7 Switzerland 3.00 3.00 2.50 0.50 0.50 2.50 4.25
13 Canada 3.33 4.88 4.50 4.50 3.33 1.83 0.75
14 Austria 3.50 4.25 4.50 2.50 3.25 2.75 7.50
14 Denmark 3.50 2.00 5.00 0.50 0.50 1.00 3.00
16 Czech Republic 4.00 4.00 0.75 1.00 3.50 2.50 11.25
16 Lithuania 4.00 7.00 6.50 4.50 3.00 2.83
16 Netherlands 4.00 3.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50 0.50
16 Portugal 4.00 2.00 3.00 4.83 4.50 5.17 1.50
20 Germany 4.50 5.75 5.50 4.00 2.00 1.33 1.50
21 Jamaica 4.88 8.63 5.50 7.50 4.17 3.33
22 Costa Rica 5.10 6.50 6.67 8.50 7.63 3.83 4.25
23 Hungary 5.50 4.50 3.00 2.00 6.00 3.33 6.50
23 Namibia 5.50 8.50 6.00 5.50 10.00 11.00 8.00
23 United Kingdom 5.50 8.25 6.50 5.17 6.00 4.25 6.00
26 Suriname 6.00
27 Trinidad and Tobago 6.13 5.00 5.00 2.00 2.00 1.00
28 Australia 6.25 8.79 9.00 6.50 9.50 9.25 3.50
29 Japan 6.50 11.75 12.50 8.00 10.00 8.00 7.50
30 Slovenia 7.33 6.50 3.00 1.00 2.25 3.00 4.00
31 Cyprus 7.50 14.00 7.50 5.50 22.00 20.83 pre-2005 data included Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
31 Ghana 7.50 9.00 8.50 15.00 13.50 8.75 23.00
31 Greece 7.50 9.25 8.00 4.00 7.00 6.00 5.00
31 Mali 7.50 16.50 9.00 8.00 12.83 11.00 12.50
35 France 7.67 9.75 9.00 6.25 3.50 4.17 3.25
36 Bosnia and Herzegovina 8.00 11.17 5.00 7.00 3.67 6.83 12.50
36 Cape Verde 8.00 14.00 11.50 6.00 8.75 8.25 13.75
36 South Africa 8.00 13.00 11.25 6.50 5.00 3.33 7.50
36 Spain 8.00 10.25 10.00 8.33 9.00 7.67 7.75
36 Republic of China (Taiwan) 8.00 10.00 10.50 12.25 14.25 12.00 9.00
36 United States 8.00 14.50 13.00 9.50 4.00 6.00 4.75

Reporters sans frontières - Annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index - 2007

While better than most, the US is clearly not the freest in any category that I know of.
Thats because we aren't a Democracy. We are a Republic.

We still have more freedoms than the other countries listed.
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Old 02-14-2009, 06:18 PM
 
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Yes, I am proud.
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Old 02-14-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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You all must be some of the angriest, most skeptical people I have ever seen in all my days. How is it that even the most innocent threads end up as a rediculous, petty argument on here? It is really getting tiresome.
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