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Old 02-21-2009, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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I was about to make this kind of thread last night!!!
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:54 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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If it's a "few culprits" then why are you really worried about it? It's prob two 16 year olds in class...
My guess as well, the porn sites are blocked by Mommy and Daddy, or the school, so they turn to C-D to stir the pot.


Overall the Southern troops had MUCH better leadership than the North did. We just happened to have the industrialization needed to supply weapons and equipment needed to win a war. If the South would have had the factories the North did, I think it would have been a much different outcome.
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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My guess as well, the porn sites are blocked by Mommy and Daddy, or the school, so they turn to C-D to stir the pot.


Overall the Southern troops had MUCH better leadership than the North did. We just happened to have the industrialization needed to supply weapons and equipment needed to win a war. If the South would have had the factories the North did, I think it would have been a much different outcome.
If the South had industrialized to the extent the North had, the reasons for fighting the war wouldn't have existed.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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If the South had industrialized to the extent the North had, the reasons for fighting the war wouldn't have existed.
C'mon, Sukwoo (my friend!), that is an "if" that doesn't really recognize the reality of the time. Might as well say if pigs had wings they'd be eagles!

You know I respect your opinions, but not withstanding the South was a land more suited to argriculture, the North by population controlled the House where budget bills originate. And used that power to unfairly tax the South and turn around and spend it in their own interests.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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C'mon, Sukwoo (my friend!), that is an "if" that doesn't really recognize the reality of the time. Might as well say if pigs had wings they'd be eagles!

You know I respect your opinions, but not withstanding the South was a land more suited to argriculture, the North by population controlled the House where budget bills originate. And used that power to unfairly tax the South and turn around and spend it in their own interests.
I realize that fact entirely. My point was in response to the prior post where the south lost because of a lesser degree of industrialization relative to the north.

If one was to invent a counterfactual reality where industrialization progressed equally in the South as the North, this would have fueled increased immigration into the South (due to the plentiful industrial jobs). This would have not only increased Southern political representation, but also aligned the economic policies of North and South. Furthermore, industrialization would likely have proved fatal to slavery, as slavery (as an economic system) would have proved unviable in competition would a more productive, industrialized labor market.

Had this alternative history occurred, we may have avoided Civil War as well as lessened racial enmity.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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The South is America's Whipping Bull. Didn't ya hear? We're all responsible for racism, slavery, anti-intellectualism, and drinking sweet tea behind the wheel.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:45 PM
 
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I'm just asking for an explanation from the same few "culprits" who have been running amok. If I were to start six threads on the City vs. City forum of "Scranton vs. ____" I'd probably be reamed out royally. As a Northerner considering a move to the South, I do worry about the potential for some of these Civil War-era feelings to have NOT yet been resolved.
You're smarter than that Sran. City-Data doesn't represent the averages that you see in real life and the young Southerners in the burbs and cities don't care about how the South was back then; we study the was, live in the is, and prepare for the next. I really doubt that you'd live on a street full of civil war actors. Another thing, there was a guy (obviously not Southern) who came in with two post who didn't even prepare well and started the disrespect...You read it with your own eyes.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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The one is a man in his late-20s who is a reincarnation of a member who was banned in the past. I can't speak for the others. We seem to attract more than our fair share of "characters" here to City-Data though.
You mean a YOUNG man in his late 20s.
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:07 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Overall the Southern troops had MUCH better leadership than the North did.

Not really, that's the "common knowledge" about the war but it doesn't stand scrutiny.

The Confederacy produced only a single first-rate large army commander, Robert E Lee. The Union produced a several of them---Grant, Sherman, Thomas and Sheridan.

In the Western theater the Confederacy saw a parade of incompetent and mediocre generals in high command---A.S. Johnston, Bragg, Pemberton, Joe Johnston and Hood. And ole Bory was in there long enough to devise an idiotic plan for the battle of Shiloh, evacuate the strategic railroad city of Cornith and then go AWOL and be relieved.

Ole Joe Johnston was gonna retreat all the way to Key West from Uncle Billy Sherman and was finally relieved by an exasperated Jefferson Davis (the Rebel president NOT the union general) and replaced by the one-armed, one-legged, heartbroken and opiate addled John Hood who smashed his army against Sherman's tough midwesterners at Atlanta and then in despair invaded Tennessee and got the rest of his army wrecked at Franklin and Nashville by George Thomas.

By the end of the war the Army of the Potomac was hitting on all cylinders with such superb combat group and corps commanders as Sheridan, Griffin, Wright, Parke and Humphreys. Cavalry commanders were excellent---Custer, Crook, Devin, MacKenzie.....and the young and aggressive James Wilson from Shawneetown Illinois raising Hell in Alabama and Georgia with the 1865 version of a Panzer division-----a strike force of thousands of young Midwesterners all mounted and all armed with repeating rifles. Why even ole Nathan Bedford Forrest couldn't withstand Wilson and was finally whipped.

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Old 02-21-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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oh dear lord.
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