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These southern threads are killing me!! !!!!!!Why are there so many?
OK...... Jesus Christ
The “Old South” states of the original thirteen American colonies also used to describe antebellum period
The Confederate States of America with the border states in the stripe zone. Also West Virginia hasn't quite broken off yet notice the Commonwealth of Virginia looks like a tumor
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/US_map-South_Historic_1.PNG (broken link)
Modern usage of the Southern United States the dark red are always included, the red are usually included, and striped are sometimes included.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/US_map-The_South_Modern_.png (broken link)
Also current Counties in West Virginia approving of Virginia's secession from the United States.
The United States Census Regions
Where the common usage of the word YALL can be found.
Southern Appalachia: usually include the mountainous regions of Northern Georgia, East Tennessee, Western North Carolina, Southwest Virginia, and West Virginia.
Also nowa days Delaware, Maryland, and sometimes Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina. Are sometimes added in the Mid-Atlantic Region. But as far as the Mid-Atlantic is usually viewed as this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Middle_Atlantic_States.jpg/481px-Middle_Atlantic_States.jpg (broken link)
These southern threads are killing me!! !!!!!!Why are there so many?
OK...... Jesus Christ
Your post illustrates exactly "why" there are so many of these threads...because there are so many different versions of regional boundaries, and many people in the gray area states have strong opinions about where their state belongs (usually definitely NOT in the South).
It's really not an important topic to most of us...but an underlying issue that appears often in these threads is the stereotypical outdated view of what is "southern". This misconception makes it easy to understand the adamant stance of people in Maryland that their state belongs to the Northeast.
Anything that is progressive, multi-cultural, successful, tolerant, fast-paced, urban, exciting, modern, international, etc. - definitely can't be southern, and if it's in the South geographically then it isn't "really" southern and is usually in its own little separate region.
Anything that is rural, impoverished, backward, racist, Civil War-related, slow, uneducated, NASCAR/NRA/KKK/ and the like, etc. - is most definitely southern, or at least in the minds of many Americans. There are actually a lot of people that seem to truly believe that this is an accurate image of the South...and then there are a lot of people who know for a fact that it isn't an accurate image.
Thus the creation of many, many threads concerning U.S. regions that end up with passionate and heated discussions.
Your post illustrates exactly "why" there are so many of these threads...because there are so many different versions of regional boundaries, and many people in the gray area states have strong opinions about where their state belongs (usually definitely NOT in the South).
I could care less about what region any state is located in. Those are the typically definitions. I didnt create this thread so I wouldn't exactly say my post is why these threads exist.
Im afraid it does. Obama represents everything that concurs with NE Liberals. Socialism, National Health Care, Elitism, Arrogance...
You mean as opposed to SE Conservatives?...Religious Bigotry, Racism, Homophobia, sick people without care, rampant environmental disregard and Wall Street Elitism & Arrogance?
I could care less about what region any state is located in. Those are the typically definitions. I didnt create this thread so I wouldn't exactly say my post is why these threads exist.
God, we're defensive...I didn't mean that YOUR ideas are why these threads exist, but that the long, varied list of regional boundary definitions is the reason. Relax, nobody's trying to blame you for anything.
These southern threads are killing me!! !!!!!!Why are there so many?
OK...... Jesus Christ
The “Old South” states of the original thirteen American colonies also used to describe antebellum period
The Confederate States of America with the border states in the stripe zone. Also West Virginia hasn't quite broken off yet notice the Commonwealth of Virginia looks like a tumor
Modern usage of the Southern United States the dark red are always included, the red are usually included, and striped are sometimes included.
Also current Counties in West Virginia approving of Virginia's secession from the United States.
The United States Census Regions
Where the common usage of the word YALL can be found.
Southern Appalachia: usually include the mountainous regions of Northern Georgia, East Tennessee, Western North Carolina, Southwest Virginia, and West Virginia.
Also nowa days Delaware, Maryland, and sometimes Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina. Are sometimes added in the Mid-Atlantic Region. But as far as the Mid-Atlantic is usually viewed as this:
But usually today Richmond, and Danville Virginia as well as Louisville are considered "Gateway to South" cities. So there you have it.
The map with Kentucky in the midwest also has Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri in the same region. I looked up the website with the map and it says that the South was trimmed of certain states because of the poulation shifts and that other regions absorbed them. That map is for the purposes of their organizations, not official.
I think I would disagree. The true southern states were Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia, the original southern states of the U.S. At the time of the War of Northern Aggression, Virginia was the most revered of the Southern states.
Lady BeBop, I understand your reservations about the northern panhandle of West Virginia. I can see that there is no real reason, other than a technicality, to consider it southern, this little finger of land giving the 'up yours' to the North. According to the Univ. of PA it isn't even in the sphere of Southern dialect. But as someone intensely interested in the history of West Virginia, particularly the ante-bellum days, there are things that distinguish this little archipelago of the South from the surrounding Ohio and Pennsylvania. Slave auctions took place regularly at the Center Market prior to the WoNA. At the start of the war a group of young bucks organized into a Company called the Shrivers Grays, and became part of the famed Stonewall Brigade. Although only a few miles wide, the panhandle, historically, distinguished its Southern affiliations in the face of Ohio and Pennsylvania, as related in this essay in the Mississippi Quarterly, Fall 1999, by Dawn Henwood-Slaveries "In the Borders": Rebecca Harding Davis's "Life in the Iron Mills" in Its Southern Context | Mississippi Quarterly, The | Find Articles at BNET
Over and above these commercial ties to the South, the Wheeling of Davis's youth preserved many of the cultural characteristics of Tidewater society. When Frances Trollope visited Wheeling in 1829, she found the town marked by "all that sedulous attention which in this country distinguishes a slave state."(9) In her "Pen-Pictures of Society in the Ante-Bellum Days," published in the Wheeling Intelligencer of 1902, local resident Dorothy Patterson describes fashionable life in Wheeling around the time of Trollope's visit as part of the gracious pageantry of the Old South, in which "velvet-footed slaves waited upon every whim of my lady gay, and hospitality brewed a toddy for the gallant cavalier."(10) Although throughout the nineteenth century the slave population in Virginia's northwestern panhandle was well under five percent, many of the First Families of Wheeling were slaveholders. Moreover, if plantations in the western mountains were not common, they were not impossible. In the early 1800s the Shepherd plantation on the outskirts of Wheeling, a real-life parallel to Willa Cather's fictional mountain plantation in Sapphira and the Slave Girl, featured slave quarters along with its mill, barn, stables, and shops (Fetherling, p. 28). Despite its burgeoning industrial economy and its large proportion of German and Irish residents, antebellum Wheeling was, according to historian Doug Fetherling, the Northernmost bastion of Southern civilization. Even the town's architecture, which favored Grecian models, had a strong Southern flair (p. 39). Joseph Wilde's History of Wheeling During the Past Forty Years [c. 1880] describes Wheeling society c. 1840 as "quite refined, and marked with the character of the old Virginia style."
I'm not trying to make a case for the northern panhandle as Southern, but it is important to remember that it isn't 'really' Ohio or Pennsylvania.
...The "War of Northern Aggression"?? You really believe this stuff?
Just a little infatuated with the ante-bellum South, I see..
...The "War of Northern Aggression"?? You really believe this stuff?
There are other threads to fight this out...but why don't you just accept that many Southerners do not see it in the same light as you do?
This is what gets me more than anything else. I might even agree that "War of Northern Aggression" is not quite accurate (even though it WAS the North which invaded the South LOL).
So far as the origins went, it was just something that jokingly originated many, many, years back. Most don't really take it all THAT seriously.
BUT...it wasn't a Civil War either...as the Southern states formed their own nation. I personally prefer War for Southern Independence...
What is wrong with just War Between the States . Ought to satisfy partisans on both sides. Don't you think?
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Just a little infatuated with the ante-bellum South, I see..
What a simplistic and smugly condecending way of putting it! The underlying implications in that an interest in Southern history amounts to infatuation with the ante-bellum South in a obsessive way...?
Do you have an interest in Masschusetts or Vermont or New England history? Personally, I think it would be strange it you didn't. And not a thing in the world wrong with it! Everyone, northern or Southern has reason to be proud of their history!
However, if as it seems, you are making invidious, unspoken, comparissons? Then I can for sure give facts as to why ante-bellum New England history -- in Southern parlance -- ain't got nuthin' -- to brag about in this regard. That is, stacked up to ante-bellum Southern history.
There are other threads to fight this out...but why don't you just accept that many Southerners do not see it in the same light as you do?
This is what gets me more than anything else. I might even agree that "War of Northern Aggression" is not quite accurate (even though it WAS the North which invaded the South LOL).
So far as the origins went, it was just something that jokingly originated many, many, years back. Most don't really take it all THAT seriously.
BUT...it wasn't a Civil War either...as the Southern states formed their own nation. I personally prefer War for Southern Independence...
What is wrong with just War Between the States . Ought to satisfy partisans on both sides. Don't you think?
What a simplistic and smugly condecending way of putting it! The underlying implications in that an interest in Southern history amounts to infatuation with the ante-bellum South in a obsessive way...?
Do you have an interest in Masschusetts or Vermont or New England history? Personally, I think it would be strange it you didn't. And not a thing in the world wrong with it! Everyone, northern or Southern has reason to be proud of their history!
However, if as it seems, you are making invidious, unspoken, comparissons? Then I can for sure give facts as to why ante-bellum New England history -- in Southern parlance -- ain't got nuthin' -- to brag about in this regard. That is, stacked up to ante-bellum Southern history.
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..is going to quote sections of the Wheeling Intelligencer of 1902, or a section from The History of Wheeling , from 1880, just to make an Internet point, then I think the word "infatuated" might be a good description, yes...
This poster, based upon previous screeds, seems overly concerned that some Americans might see West Virginia as supporting the Union cause during the Civil War, and he goes to great lengths, including quoting obscure journals and publications printed over 100 years ago, to try to prove otherwise. I don't particularly care what kind of conclusion he comes to; it's much ado about nothing. He just implied that using a statement like "War of Northern Aggression" was something factual, something you didn't argue about, and that's just not true.
Anyway, I do have an interest in history, be it Vermont, New England, the United States, etc., but I try not to go on-and-on about it, either, especially on an Internet conversation. I have a degree in history, but I'm always conscious of the fact that NOT EVERYONE wants to hear EVERYTHING about any subject under the sun, so I'd rather make my point sooner rather than later.
Amen.
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