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Old 02-21-2009, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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Ciao! But before you do leave, do remember that both Virginia and Richmond voted for Obama. Politically, culturally, geographically, Virginia is firmly a mid-Atlantic state, just like New Jersey, Maryland and Pennsylvania.
Now you're going too far to try to annoy the girl. VA is not a Mid-Atlantic state. It was just not apart of the mid-atlantic in history, It was a southern state that was in the confederacy.
But it's southern scene is almost diminished throught the northern half of it due to DC i'll tell you that much.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Richmond
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Ciao! But before you do leave, do remember that both Virginia and Richmond voted for Obama. Politically, culturally, geographically, Virginia is firmly a mid-Atlantic state, just like New Jersey, Maryland and Pennsylvania.
Not it is Southern. North Carolina voted for Obama. I suppose that isnt Southern anymore?

Virginia is a SOUTHERN state. It was part of the Old South and the Confederacy.

It has much more in common with the Carolinas and Georgia.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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Yes, please dont compare VA to NJ
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:14 AM
 
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Compared with what it had before the era of urban renewal, what was lost constituted something of a sizable chunk of the historic stock that the city had, which was small compared to Northern cities--which is why the effects of urban renewal and the like are more acutely felt in Atlanta than in the city's Northern counterparts, which also experienced the same. The preservation sentiment in Atlanta didn't gain serious traction until the 70's and 80's. I found some relevant information concerning the subject:

Urban renewal took out a small number of historic buildings in Atlanta, but not at all to the extent that you're making it out to be. There are many more historic buildings that remain compared to how many were demolished. There may have been 10-15 significant structures demolished during that period...there is block after block of them still standing - I see them every day.

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...the city's major passenger depots had both been torn down as had most of its old hotels and theaters and many of its early skyscrapers.
I'm not sure where you got this information, but...

1. True, the two train depots were demolished. One is still standing and is the current Amtrak station:

Brookwood Station, 1908

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=brookwood%20station&w=all (broken link)



2. Most of the hotels? Kimball House, the Henry Grady Hotel, the Piedmont Hotel, the Frances Hotel - that's all I know of. Still standing historic hotels, to show just a few:

Imperial Hotel, 1910

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/imperia.htm

Ellis Hotel, 1913

Exterior of The Ellis on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Glenn Hotel, 1924

Glenn Hotel - Atlanta, Georgia - June, 2006 - 004a on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Hotel Row, early 20th century

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/Hotelro.htm

Biltmore Hotel, 1924

Atlanta Biltmore Hotel on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Georgian Terrace, 1910 and Hotel Indigo, 1924

georgian terrace on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankleeroberts/1144004606/ - broken link)



3. The downtown theaters - Loew's Grand among them - burned in a huge fire. This one in Midtown is still going:

Fox Theater, 1927

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/foxthea.htm



4. "Most" of the early skyscrapers were not demolished. Most of the early skyscrapers are still standing:

1906

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/candler.htm

1928

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/atl_cit.htm

1913

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/hurtbui.htm

1930

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/wworrdo.htm

1929

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/rhodes.htm

1930

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/thetenp.htm

1913

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/healyb.htm

1920

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/haas-ho.htm

1897

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/flatiron.htm

1898

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/csnat.htm

1912

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/poncede.htm

1882

Rich and Brothers and Co.

1925

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/carnegi.htm

1907

http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/URBAN/palmerh.htm

1924

080506-22 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/toddevans/207609660/ - broken link)

1925

Atlanta, GA Davison's (Macy's) Department Store on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/2552780397/ - broken link)

1906

Atlanta, GA Rich's Department Store on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/2545205724/ - broken link)

1911

Atlanta, GA Fulton County Courthouse on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/2545202372/ - broken link)

1930

Southern Bell Building (now AT&T Communication Building) by Marye, Alger, and Vinour

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Old 02-22-2009, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Richmond
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Urban renewal took out a small number of historic buildings in Atlanta, but not at all to the extent that you're making it out to be. There are many more historic buildings that remain compared to how many were demolished. There may have been 10-15 significant structures demolished during that period...there is block after block of them still standing - I see them every day. I thought about listing them or posting photos, but let's suffice it to say that I live here and I'm fairly knowledgeable about Atlanta history and preservation. I'm not making this up - and I do know what I'm talking about...and you don't. Sorry.
The whole time I was in Atlanta- I was looking for something to make me think I was in that truly Southern oasis. That GWTW feelin'. NOTHING.

I was trying to find something like we have in Richmond- some statues of Lee, Jackson, or Jefferson Davis. I did find a statue of MLK. But none of Lee.


In Richmond you have more of that GWTW feeling here. Its more like Old Dixie. I cant put my finger on it. Atlanta just doesnt have that feeling. I tried to find someone with a Southern accent in Atlanta. Nothing.

In Richmond, even the younger people have something that resembles a Tidewater accent. And they are nice and friendly hipsters that will help you find what you're looking for at PLAN 9.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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The stupidity of Washington D.C. has ruined northern Va. As for N.Carolina, the hits in jobs they have taken changed the outcome in obama's favor this time, but who knows what will happen by the next election? I know one thing tho, the yankees complaining about racetracks and the noise from them (and btw that noise is sweet music to my ears compared to that getto yapping the noreasters bought in) in N. Carolina can go back home to the northeast real soon !!!
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:24 AM
 
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I was trying to find something like we have in Richmond- some statues of Lee, Jackson, or Jefferson Davis. I did find a statue of MLK. But none of Lee.

Nope. No statues of Confederate leadership in Atlanta.

No giant, mountainside carvings of Confederate generals.

Nope.

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Old 02-22-2009, 01:25 AM
 
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The stupidity of Washington D.C. has ruined northern Va. As for N.Carolina, the hits in jobs they have taken changed the outcome in obama's favor this time, but who knows what will happen by the next election? I know one thing tho, the yankees complaining about racetracks and the noise from them (and btw that noise is sweet music to my ears compared to that getto yapping the noreasters bought in) in N. Carolina can go back home to the northeast real soon !!!
"getto yapping"?

And your location says "Eastern Missouri"....
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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I hope so. The quicker that this country can diminish or even eliminate the southern states from any influence, the better this country will be. We've been anchored down by this region for too long.


Actuly, the quicker we get rid of the far left's "progressiveness" (which is really just a quick way to destroy a Nation) the better off this Country will be!! We as a Nation have suffered too much with the looney left of Ca. and New York/ New England areas the last 40 years.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Richmond
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Nope. No statues of Confederate leadership in Atlanta.

No giant, mountainside carvings of Confederate generals.

Nope.
That is Stone Mountain, is it not? Now, Stone Mountain to me was very Southern.
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