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Old 07-27-2009, 03:57 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Hmm... I could rephrase this to say that the North won't "get along" with the South until a certain demographic of Southerners can understand that many Northerners are moral without adhering to many southerners rigid religious-oriented definitions of moral values. It seems many southern Christians believe that because of their fundamentalist Judeo-Christian beliefs that they have a monopoly on morals and values over those who don't share their particular belief system. Why are Evangelicals known as the "morals and values" crowd? This implies that they somehow are more moral than those who don't share their beliefs. This is just as arrogant or close minded as anyone not liking someone because of ones religious belief.

I refer to Evangelicals because a large portion of them reside in the south and they are known as the "moral and values" crowd. The poster I quoted above seems to think Northerners don't like southerners because... Southerners are moral.

Personally, I very rarely run into people who think that there is something wrong with southerners because of their religion and personal morals. However, we (me and friends) will have a problem if some of those particular morals are forced upon us.
Fair enough. I will say that we (maybe I should just say I) do not view our definition of morality as rigid. Again, it goes back to our understanding of the Bible and how our worldview fits into the parameters laid out in Scripture. For me, I am very firm and confident in my worldview, but I would never force that on someone else. The key here is for people to be able to "agree to disagree" on some issues and try to maintain some semblance of humanity/friendship.....at least, that is how I try to live my life.

Moreover, the feeling of coercion that you experience is mutual. Many Evangelicals and Southerners alike feel like our value system is being repudiated and we have ideas/worldviews forced on us that are not consistent with our beliefs. So, it's definitely a two-way street.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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You guys really try and do all you can to wriggle outta this.

Obviously everyone knows there was slavery in the north. It wasn't as widely supported or as common as in the south. Where was the KKK based and started, and where was the most resistance to civil rights legislation? That's right. You guessed it.
Nobody is trying to wriggle out of anything, we just want you to stop being hypocrites. The North did the same thing, but you keep chastising us.

Let me also say that history doesn't bother me, because it is just that, history. All we can do is learn from it and move on. Why should I have to keep paying for something that happened long before I or even my parents were born?

This is a different South than it used to be, and also a different North, so let's move on.

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Old 07-27-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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Baby beauty pageants are pretty popular is the South. Big hair on little baby girls is just sick and wrong!
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Baby beauty pageants are pretty popular is the South. Big hair on little baby girls is just sick and wrong!
What???

Wow, that was random.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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Baby beauty pageants are pretty popular is the South. Big hair on little baby girls is just sick and wrong!
I will absolutely agree that it is disgusting -- to it put it mildly -- to dress up a pre-adolecent child like a Hollywood Sunset Strip *****, and stick her into a beauty pageant where she probably really doesn't understand what is going on, anyway.

I have seen some of the "documentaries" which record parents who live for type type circuit. A little girl dressed up like a grown woman..and a slutty one at that. Far as I am concerned, the parents who do it, oughta be dragged off and horse-whipped. Believe me, I am not a "politically-correct" person, but to me, this type thing almost borders on child abuse. Screw up that kid for the rest of their lives because it means some cheap-ass national recognition for the parents. Almost Jerry Springer type trash.

With that said though, it is true that beauty pagents are especially popular in the South. I don't see a thing wrong with that, so long as it isn't taken to the extreme as mentioned above (little kids, that is). But it isn't. These events are not so much looks as it is class and style.

And I will maintain that the reason Southern contestants tend to win the national events is because of that certain standard of class and style they were reared/raised to meet. They carry themselves with a certain dignity and charm and self-respect that counts for lots more than looks alone.
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:32 PM
 
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Well, that is the ideal anyway...to follow Christ. I will concede that I believe there is a huge unregenerate population (folks that go to church, but don't really have a relationship with Christ) in the South. This could be said of anywhere in the United States, however.

True faith is a relationship; it is not religion.


STANDING OVATION, my friend. I can't give you more rep points...but everything you have said deserves them!
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, La
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I recently took a trip with family up to Fairfax, virginia and Washington DC for a family reunion. My relatives up there did exhibit some very arrogant and off putting behavior at times, especially when we referred to their summer house on the Potomac as a camp. To a Louisianian, a camp can be anything from a tiny fishing shack to a luxurious vacation home, so we were not in any way insulting their place. But they took it as such and insisted that we call it "a second home". Also, we have what we call pawn shops down here. Places to pawn off items or to buy used stuff for cheap. Up there they insisted that pawnshops are below a placel ike Fairfax and that such places be called "thrift stores". This is the kind of arrogant stuff I despise really and I didnt expect it from my own relatives, but it definitely shows some subtle reasons why the South is so different.

Down here I really notice that we are more tolerant of what someone wants to call something. We do not have a rigid definition of certain things (with the exception of the term marriage as defined in the bible but Im kind of gray on that one) and you can pretty much call it like you see it. Its more relaxed, and much slower paced down here, and frankly, I found myself really missing the southern way of life after 2 weeks up in NOVA/Maryland. It all just seemed so fake and superficial up there to me. I didnt feel welcomed there, and waving to people just resulted in staring. I know this isnt indicative of everywhere up North but I saw these things firsthand all over the area. Maybe its a DC thing. I did notice the people near Bushwood, Maryland are more down to earth and friendly.

All I know is, down here things seem to go in slow motion. nobody really worries about how they appear to other people as much and how you were raised is how you raise your kids. Faith is definitely important to most families, and teaching a child to safely and responsibly operate a gun is absolutely no big deal and encouraged. Cities are less about mass transport and more about clusters of communities and everyone drives to get where they are going. It all feels very different especially in Louisiana (which is perhaps the most unique Southern state), and yet, in ways, the places up there were still vaguely familiar to large Southern cities.

The real differences seem to be idealogies. The north seems to be about fast paced, business oriented, no nonsense, population centers. Millions of people living in what I would consider slightly cramped lifestyles devoid of a real sense of individuality. It lacks the more close knit feel that we have down here and I think thats really why I dont like it. Some of the towns further from DC were more "realistic" imo but thats where the South begins to take root so it doesnt really say much for the area. Overall I( didnt mind visiting there for a couple weeks because I love mountains and seeing new things, but I really would never live there or anywhere in the northeast. They seem to be aiming for a more upper class European lifestyle and Im really not interested in that.

Thats basically my take on the whole North vs. South thing based on what Ive experienced. Racially, I think the North and south are pretty much equally racist. I notice that the north is more segregated by class, with more wealthy folks moving far away from city centers, which creates massive sprawling populations. Down here it seems that our cities grow with much fewer suburbs (talking about ouisiana here) and more by adding subdivisions and keeping all classes of people mixed together. This is what creates the higher crime rates, but the positive tradeoff is that upper class folks are much less resented by the poorer communities, because we live next to people with trailers, low rent apartments, small houses...Its more homogenous. Up in Fairfax I saw pretty much an entire city of wealthy people. all the poorer areas were further towards the city, and seemingly divided from the wealthier parts by retaining walls or just distance. Im not surprised that the wealthier parts have little crime and are kept very clean when you have the advantage of completely pricing lower classes out of an area. Thats why I say the north is equally as racist and class prejudiced as they claim the south is. Its just hypocritical to say otherwise, but then its just human nature to not accept something that is didfferent from yourself. We are all guilty of this.

I apologize that I wrote so much.
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:54 PM
 
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^ You pretty much nailed the way of life in the DC area on the head. Venture out into the further parts of MD & VA, and it's different. I think if you tried Baltimore, you'd find that the general attitude there is much more down to earth.
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Kentucky
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What???

Wow, that was random.
I think he is trying to be funny
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Kentucky
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I recently took a trip with family up to Fairfax, virginia and Washington DC for a family reunion. My relatives up there did exhibit some very arrogant and off putting behavior at times, especially when we referred to their summer house on the Potomac as a camp. To a Louisianian, a camp can be anything from a tiny fishing shack to a luxurious vacation home, so we were not in any way insulting their place. But they took it as such and insisted that we call it "a second home". Also, we have what we call pawn shops down here. Places to pawn off items or to buy used stuff for cheap. Up there they insisted that pawnshops are below a placel ike Fairfax and that such places be called "thrift stores". This is the kind of arrogant stuff I despise really and I didnt expect it from my own relatives, but it definitely shows some subtle reasons why the South is so different.

Down here I really notice that we are more tolerant of what someone wants to call something. We do not have a rigid definition of certain things (with the exception of the term marriage as defined in the bible but Im kind of gray on that one) and you can pretty much call it like you see it. Its more relaxed, and much slower paced down here, and frankly, I found myself really missing the southern way of life after 2 weeks up in NOVA/Maryland. It all just seemed so fake and superficial up there to me. I didnt feel welcomed there, and waving to people just resulted in staring. I know this isnt indicative of everywhere up North but I saw these things firsthand all over the area. Maybe its a DC thing. I did notice the people near Bushwood, Maryland are more down to earth and friendly.

All I know is, down here things seem to go in slow motion. nobody really worries about how they appear to other people as much and how you were raised is how you raise your kids. Faith is definitely important to most families, and teaching a child to safely and responsibly operate a gun is absolutely no big deal and encouraged. Cities are less about mass transport and more about clusters of communities and everyone drives to get where they are going. It all feels very different especially in Louisiana (which is perhaps the most unique Southern state), and yet, in ways, the places up there were still vaguely familiar to large Southern cities.

The real differences seem to be idealogies. The north seems to be about fast paced, business oriented, no nonsense, population centers. Millions of people living in what I would consider slightly cramped lifestyles devoid of a real sense of individuality. It lacks the more close knit feel that we have down here and I think thats really why I dont like it. Some of the towns further from DC were more "realistic" imo but thats where the South begins to take root so it doesnt really say much for the area. Overall I( didnt mind visiting there for a couple weeks because I love mountains and seeing new things, but I really would never live there or anywhere in the northeast. They seem to be aiming for a more upper class European lifestyle and Im really not interested in that.

Thats basically my take on the whole North vs. South thing based on what Ive experienced. Racially, I think the North and south are pretty much equally racist. I notice that the north is more segregated by class, with more wealthy folks moving far away from city centers, which creates massive sprawling populations. Down here it seems that our cities grow with much fewer suburbs (talking about ouisiana here) and more by adding subdivisions and keeping all classes of people mixed together. This is what creates the higher crime rates, but the positive tradeoff is that upper class folks are much less resented by the poorer communities, because we live next to people with trailers, low rent apartments, small houses...Its more homogenous. Up in Fairfax I saw pretty much an entire city of wealthy people. all the poorer areas were further towards the city, and seemingly divided from the wealthier parts by retaining walls or just distance. Im not surprised that the wealthier parts have little crime and are kept very clean when you have the advantage of completely pricing lower classes out of an area. Thats why I say the north is equally as racist and class prejudiced as they claim the south is. Its just hypocritical to say otherwise, but then its just human nature to not accept something that is didfferent from yourself. We are all guilty of this.

I apologize that I wrote so much.
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