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Old 07-31-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Doesn't NASCAR take top billing when it comes to sports in the South? I'm guessing Hog Calling would be a close second.

Why dont you compare attendance at the Phoenix track with a Diamondbacks game.

I think you'll be surprised.
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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I guess we Southern men are now being lectured...by a person who disdains the South, but moved to, and lives in it. I swear to gawd...I will never understand it. It has to be a yankee thing, because there is no other way to explain it....

Ok, the "endearments" like honey, and darlin' and sugar? It simply reflects the easy and friendly and bonding way we Southerners get along with each other. Male and female. Its use is affectionate. Or just easily friendly. Not sexist. It so very much expresses in everyday exchanges, our natural attachement to one another. Like family, in so many ways.

But ok, maybe it IS only something another Southerner can understand. I forgive you for that part of it, as you are not one of us. And have made that clear and make a point to keep doing so.

In fact, I even feel sorry for you. I really do. That is, in the sense, that you can feel nothing, feel no part at all, of a region, which welcomes you, but all you can do is find fault with.

*AHEM* But back to the honey, darling, etc, etc, thing?

I doubt any would use that those terms if they knew you and how you feel about the South. No biggie, really. It doesn't matter in the whole scheme of things.

At the same time, I will continue to use the those endearments -- and I emphasize ENDEARMENTS -- all the time in the casual encounters -- with the most wonderful women and best mannered ladies in the world. That is to say, Southern.

So if we should encounter in a social situation? I let "hon" slip out? I hope you will forgive me as just a trying to be polite Southern male who didn't know your yankee hang-ups and underlying disdain for the South.

At the same time? I will use all those words with Southern ladies. Especially in those good-smelling cafes, which stretch all the way from Texas to Virginia...and those waitresses who say something like:

"You want some more tea, darlin?

And we say:

Sure do, thanks, hon...

THAT is Southern. And I am so sorry you will never be a part of it....cos of your own choices...
brilliant post!
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Old 07-31-2009, 03:39 PM
 
Location: where my heart is
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"Southern Charm" is a form of manipulation used by ignorant women who live in the South. As a Northerner, I can spot those silly games a mile away.
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Old 07-31-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: where my heart is
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I was born a Southerner in S.W. Georgia. I also spent 14 years in New Jersey. What I have found is that the North can be more closed minded in some areas than the South in regards to prejuidices. I am not talking about NYC, where anything and everything goes, I am talking about mid to small sized towns like Trenton or Burlington or Freehold., etc.

The major differences that set the South apart are rooted in God, family and Country. Communities are tight knit because they have watched generations grow up in the same town. The lack of industry keeps people from moving into these communities and therefore leaves the natives to their own devices for survival, normally a rut that each family group is born into and rarely traverses unless they leave for a life elsewhere.
The truth is the South can be closed to the outsider because the community structure doesn't like radical change. People are content with the lifestyle they are comfortable with. Now I am talking about populations under 10,000. Survival and acceptance here is more about the lifestyle than the person. To thrive here there are some things you need to understand.

1. This is the Bible belt. There are Churches on every corner for a reason. You are expected to go to Church. Pick one and go at least 2-3 times a week if possible. A good "God Revering and God fearing" person is part of the Southern fabric. This means that you subscribe to and agree with the teachings of the Bible.

2. Family. No matter what, family is the core. You will take care of your children and teach them necessary survival skills in case things go backwards...i.e. hunting, fishing, farming and other life lessons. With the amount of land and lack of industry, this is not only for survival, it is recreational. Everyone knows how to live off the land, also part of the teachings in the Bible. Appreciation of God's creation.

3. Country. Southerner's are patriotic. No, not the rebel yelling Civil War type of patriotism, but real Military support. If you want to know how the South feels about the Military, ask one of them. We love and support our Troops. While we might not agree with the politics of war, we will support the people that defend our freedom on any given day. Troops are sacred. They [ay the ultimate sacrafice. This is something that the South has clung to for years because we can identify with the fighting spirit because we will all still fight to hold onto our culture now. God, family, country.

4. We are conservatives. Some by necessity. Some by choice. The laws and rules of the Bible governs. While most cannot conceive the notion of a culture that is not accepting of Gay marriage, strip clubs or the legalization of "pot", you must understand that we view this as against the cultural and religious laws that have been passed down for generations. We feel like we, as Christian's, are under attack from radicals that try to impose these radical changes on our culture. While most of us are quiet, there is a general unrest brewing that is combining the forces of all races that are Southern by birth. We feel that our culture is coming under attack.

5. Politically the South feels that these new gun laws are a way to disarm us and trample our Constitution (Patriotism). We, as a WHOLE culture combining all races, feel threatened. There is a general unrest brewing and it travels a lot farther into the mid section of the Country than most realize.

Remember, we are patriotic and believe in the 2nd amendment rights. We use guns for hunting and recreation, and have a lot less crime than the rest of the country. The reason we don't have much crime because everyone owns guns and everyone knows it. Most of the gun crimes are committed in the areas of the country that support gun bans.
Also, we live in racial peace. It is rare now that we have any racial problems, but when one does arise, we are pounded in the news about it to reinforce that the South needs change. Wow. I saw more racial tensions up North than I have ever seen here, yet we are living with the stigma that has been passed for generations of thought elsewhere.
is not southern. Actually, most people here are from the MidWest. It's a tourist/transplant/retiree tropical resort. I am referring to the TRANSPLANTS from Georgia, Tennesse, etc. This may technically the "south", but Naples, Florida, isn't the "south", except for geography.

Actually, most of my experience comes from transplants from the South to the NORTH. Maybe they should embrace the culture of North, too?
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: IN
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The divide is very noticeable. You have the "new south" and the "old south." The new south cities were flooded with transplants over the past several decades and are now quite diverse. Some of those cities include: Charlotte, Atlanta, Nashville, Orlando, Dallas, and Houston. These cities have all had extremely high growth rates both in the recent past and up to the present. The cities of the old south include: Memphis, Little Rock, Montgomery, Jackson, Roanoke, Charleston, and Richmond. They have experienced growth, but nowhere close to the scale of the new south cities. The cities of the old south have largely retained much of their southern culture and traditions while not being entirely overrun by transplants from other parts of the country.

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Old 07-31-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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1. This is the Bible belt. There are Churches on every corner for a reason. You are expected to go to Church. Pick one and go at least 2-3 times a week if possible. A good "God Revering and God fearing" person is part of the Southern fabric. This means that you subscribe to and agree with the teachings of the Bible.

2. Family. No matter what, family is the core. You will take care of your children and teach them necessary survival skills in case things go backwards...i.e. hunting, fishing, farming and other life lessons. With the amount of land and lack of industry, this is not only for survival, it is recreational. Everyone knows how to live off the land, also part of the teachings in the Bible. Appreciation of God's creation.

3. Country. Southerner's are patriotic. No, not the rebel yelling Civil War type of patriotism, but real Military support. If you want to know how the South feels about the Military, ask one of them. We love and support our Troops. While we might not agree with the politics of war, we will support the people that defend our freedom on any given day. Troops are sacred. They [ay the ultimate sacrafice. This is something that the South has clung to for years because we can identify with the fighting spirit because we will all still fight to hold onto our culture now. God, family, country.
And yet, southern states have some of the highest divorce rates in the country. Weird.

As for #3, that's just one form of patriotism. There are many other ways to express love of country. Anyone can express a love of the troops and wave a flag.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:31 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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And yet, southern states have some of the highest divorce rates in the country. Weird.
Mostly true, but divorce rates in South Carolina and Texas don't appear high by US standards.

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Virginia and Georgia also seem to fall within average range. The "Deep South" and "Mountain South" seems to be the real "divorce belt" in the South. Also the Rocky Mountain states seem to have high divorce rates. The states of Idaho, Nevada, and Wyoming are near the top.

Anyway the Southern relatives I have I would say family is big even though divorce is not uncommon. I think the concept of "kin" and "extended family" still mean a bit, at least after a fashion. So yeah you may divorce, but your "family" (parents, uncles, aunts, your own kids) are still very important. Oddly in some ways I think that might, on occasion, encourage divorce. The men in my Dad's family at times have discussions of "family concerns" that the wives are, explicitly or implicitly, not to be involved in. Some of it's sexist, but not all as my Dad has no sisters. If he had had sisters I have a sense their husbands would also be "shut out" of these conversations.

Granted I'm dealing with Arkansas but it had the highest divorce rate with other "Mountain South" states being high as well.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:42 PM
 
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Northern liberals are just as rigid in their thinking as Southern conservatives. Basically, they're both wrong. Only we right-wing atheists are correct.

Northern whites do have higher IQs, being more of German, Scandinavian and Jewish stock rather than Scotch Irish. Westerners aren't particularly bright either. See:

Many Eyes: Estimated white IQ by state (US)

Nor is either group more objective or "pro-science". Southerners may reject evolution but Northern liberals seem to reject genetics entirely, believing that the races and genders are really just the same.
This is a good point. I find it funny that liberals who live in the whitest states up north act as if they know more about race than southerners.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:53 PM
 
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And yet, southern states have some of the highest divorce rates in the country. Weird.

As for #3, that's just one form of patriotism. There are many other ways to express love of country. Anyone can express a love of the troops and wave a flag.
I don't get this either. And I am a southerner. Southern women , to me, are much much much more feminine and submissive than Northern women. And it tends to mostly be women who end marriages all over the country. So, considering this, that women in the South have much less of a feminist, independent, chip on their shoulders than Northern women, where do these high divorce rates come from? Is it because people marry so young down here?
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:56 PM
 
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Yeah, I guess in many ways stereotypes have a grain of truth in them, and the thing that stands out is usually the one that is noticed.

I have a gay black friend of mine who says "and by God, Pat, one could say you are a burly, hairy, Irish barbarian!" When in fact I'm the opposite (save the hairy barbarian comment)

PS: I really resent the concept of using genetics to prove one's racial "intelligence", as I am Irish and have an IQ of 155, and consider most of my Irish schoolmates highly intelligent. Ireland has produced more artists, comedians, and cultural icons per capita than any other Western nation, and have been engineers, scientists, artists, and even the President has had at least some of his blood Irish. We are one of hte largest ethnic backgrounds in the USA. SO yeah, ... I guess stereotypes suck LOL.
But here you are recognizing that your gene pool has produced so many brilliant people, so how can you deny genetics? I most certainly DONT deny genetics when discussing intelligence.
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