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Old 03-24-2009, 12:52 PM
 
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still though, america pales in comparison to countries like spain, france, germany, sweden, etc. when it comes to everything. whether it be quality of life or what not. and you see, that's the difference between places like canada, france, germany and then the united states. in the USA, the dollar is #1 and then human life. in europe and canada, for the most part, human quality of life is #1 and then making a profit.
I will say I am envious of how much "me time" people get in Europe... I wish no matter what job we had the govt guaranteed 30 paid days off a year and paid time off for the mother and father when they have a kid, etc...

I think our problem is we either need to embrace a more socialist style of governing... or fully embrace capitalism. We don't, we don't let capitalism follow its natural flow, which is the only way it will thrive.

We also don't follow the constitution... basically we may be the USA, but the states should almost be like individual countries, with the federal govt having very little say in anything, only unified for the most part in the printing of currency, our military, and making sure the constitution is upheld....
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Old 03-24-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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That economy is not per capita gdp, only total. If China passes us, will you say they will be a better country? This is how easy those #'s can be made irrelevant. We matter the most? Ahhh, that is the attitude making USA go backwards. But that line makes me understand your bias along with the Amsterdam post.

They are still u.s. citizens aren't they? Black underclass? ...illegal underclass, there is a lot of underclass period. Thing is, other countries had these too but did something about it.

Money is more a means to an end, U.S. is pretty materialist in comparison to others.

Why yes I have... at Oxford... is that good enough for you?

https://international.fsu.edu/Types/...d/England.aspx

Thx and nice bias, it is to be expected on this board really.
Making $$$ is the US lifestyle.... let's face it we have people who come from nothing and poor who have risen up and made millions, and i'd say they have a better chance doing that in the US then a lot of other places.

I don't think money should reign supreme personally, but thats why we have different countries, if someone doesn't like it either try to change it or head to a place ya do like... I don't think the US should be a copy of Europe no matter how much they have certain things I envy...

for example i'm not a huge welfare fan, I think it should exist and serves a purpose, but at some point if it doens't extend to helping those on it get off, i'd prefer those people are cut off and whatever happens happens... its a hard decision. I don't like the idea of poor people and the have-nots, cuz when society gets bad enough they will take what they need for survival and no one can blame them for it.

On the other hand if someone can't sustain themselves after a period of help from the govt, and can't pull themselves out of it, then as far as i'm concerned they are a waste... the strong survivem let the weak go. While not a great method, it is more along the natural order of things.
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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I have been to Europe.
Amsterdam to be precise. I was shocked to see graffiti all over the historic buildings. In fact more graffiti than I see in the US.
Amsterdam is also ringed by concrete block ghettos and we were told that it was unsafe at night in city.
Amsterdam is a city in Europe, it is not Europe.
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Newtown, Bucks County, Pennsylvania
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I don't think the US is the best country in the world. I do, however, think it is among the best.

By the way, to whoever said Barack Obama and George W Bush are cousins--they are something like 8th cousins!!! When you go back 8 generations you can connect just about anyone. I bet that it's just as likely that you and I are 8th cousins to Bush or Obama, or even each other!
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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I will say I am envious of how much "me time" people get in Europe... I wish no matter what job we had the govt guaranteed 30 paid days off a year and paid time off for the mother and father when they have a kid, etc...

I think our problem is we either need to embrace a more socialist style of governing... or fully embrace capitalism. We don't, we don't let capitalism follow its natural flow, which is the only way it will thrive.

We also don't follow the constitution... basically we may be the USA, but the states should almost be like individual countries, with the federal govt having very little say in anything, only unified for the most part in the printing of currency, our military, and making sure the constitution is upheld....
in spain, it is customary for the workers to go home (lunch) for 3 to 4 hours while they cook a meal from scratch, eat it with their family, and take a nap. i won't be living in chicago for long...

the other thing about europe is the workers often have contracts for years at a time where in america the workers are "at will" employees and can be canned at any point in time whenever the employer feels like it for no reason at all.

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Old 03-24-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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In America money is the only thing (and everything) that matters; it is America's most worshipped god. Money! Money! Money!
Money describes America best. People rate each other by money. Power is bought by money. Money buys happiness! Money buys everything! Money! Money! Money!
What can't be overlooked is that quality of life is something that Americans seldom talk about, probably for lack of interest. Mention money, and everyone's ears are sharp. Money! Money! Money!
If you disregard the powerful military and the money, America doesn't have much going for it. This is a hollow society. But we have money. Money! Money! Money!
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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The US has a huge black inner city underclass and a huge illegal immigrant underclass that none of the nations you listed has.
Aussie has Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants(and the race riots to prove it), Canada has seen a huge influx of West Indian immigrants, Britain and France each have problems with African and Arab immigrants, Scandinavian and Southern European countries have many immigrants from North Africa.

Besides that, what you're essentially saying is that America is doing fine, minus some 30-50 million Americans. You wanna talk about disingenuous? That's a textbook example.
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:28 PM
 
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in spain, it is customary for the workers to go home (lunch) for 3 to 4 hours while they cook a meal from scratch, eat it with their family, and take a nap. i won't be living in chicago for long...

the other thing about europe is the workers often have contracts for years at a time where in america the workers are "at will" employees and can be canned at any point in time whenever the employer feels like it for no reason at all.
Working & Finding Work In Spain ~ By Gaetan Philppart

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[SIZE=-1]Yes, life in Spain is fun, enjoyable and little sleep, but it is also about hard work and low pay. Furthermore, given today´s economic crisis, finding work is difficult and Spain is no exception.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]Officially, the usual working hours are from 9 until 6 p.m., with a lot of time to eat. I do not really know which way it goes around.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]If Spaniards dedicate an hour and a half or two hours of their working day eating, this is because they simply love eating, or they want to have another opportunity to talk and spend time with work colleagues. [/SIZE]
That is longer then in the US with the average hour lunch, but 1.5-2 hours is far different from 3-4 hours out of the work day.

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[SIZE=-1]Yet, working over-time is frequent and sometimes an unofficial obligation. Although it is not in your contract it should be part of your working habit. The schedule 9 to 6 becomes 9 to 7:30 pm as a minimum with a maximum difficult to set. Fridays are a little bit more relaxed as you can go home earlier: more or less four in the afternoon. On average therefore, you will probably be working 50 hours a week. Not all companies pay for the extra hours, as might be common in the United States. [/SIZE]
If you are speaking La Siesta it sounds like this is more common in small towns...
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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Well for starters, how about living here allows you to post this kind of "information" with the right of freedom of speech guaranteed by the Constitution?
I could bash France in France, I could bash Canada in Canada, I could bash Denmark in Denmark. Freedom of speech is a pretty basic thing amongst modern, developed nations. Maybe not so much in the third world, but is that really the standard we're holding ourselves to?

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The yawning chasm between poor and rich people is getting bigger and bigger and you won't be able to step up the social ladder if you are a member of the understory.
There's a huge gap between rich and poor in America, just as in most other nations. Anyone who has told you otherwise is lying.

At the end of the day, the bottom line is that there is no nation which is better than all the rest at every or even at a majority of respects. So there can be no objective "best" nation. Sure a German can't deny the Holocaust and an American can, but a Dutchman can get blazed and an American(legally) can't. An American might ask, "Why would we ever want that to be legal?", and a German might ask, "Why we we ever want it to be legal to deny the Holocaust?", and therein lies the rub. It all boils down to priorities, priorities, priorities.
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:37 PM
 
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It's simple. Because I live here.
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