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Old 03-31-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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By this logic surely the best place in the world to live should be Germany? Is anyone of the opinion that it could be the case?
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Old 03-31-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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By this logic surely the best place in the world to live should be Germany? Is anyone of the opinion that it could be the case?
Well, it's up there. And the places that are at the top of the list are of related Germanic stock, that is in Scandinavia.
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Old 03-31-2010, 06:28 PM
 
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I think this belief that people of German ancestry are more neat and orderly than other cultures is absurd. I've lived in enough American German communities to know that is anything but the case. In fact, one of the companies where I've been a daily visitor for the last four years is German owned and anything BUT efficient. They are among the most disorganized and inefficiently run businesses I've ever seen.

You can find many neat and efficient communities in areas of the country where there are few if any people of German heritage. I've lived in a couple of them in New England.
Most of rural Iowa and Minnesota are good examples. The majority of the small towns are very efficient, have relatively solid economies, have high educational achievement (compared to most other rural areas), and are generally well run.
I have to agree that the parts of the country that have little Germanic settlement history tend to be very different. Most of the Appalachians would be an example. That area was "settled" by English, Irish, Scots-Irish, French, etc.
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:17 PM
 
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Well, it's up there. And the places that are at the top of the list are of related Germanic stock, that is in Scandinavia.
What about Canada and Japan? They consistently rank in the Top 10 best nations with a high standard of living.

Nordic countries are populated by people that are actually a mix of more than one culture. All of the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) have intermarried over the generations and with the probable exception of Iceland include some Russian ancestry resulting from the Viking conquests of Russia around 1,000 years ago. Germanic hunter gatherers were the first recorded people to populate a small area of Scandinavia something like 11,000 years ago.
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Old 04-01-2010, 02:21 AM
 
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Well, it's up there. And the places that are at the top of the list are of related Germanic stock, that is in Scandinavia.
Yet America is far more popular destination for emigrants and it owes quite a lot to it's Jewish population, which would have been exterminated in Germany if history had developed differently. Incidentally there was a similar thread in the UK forum where it was argued that the US and UK shared common Anglo Saxon culture and values so there does seem to be an underlying theme here.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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By this logic surely the best place in the world to live should be Germany? Is anyone of the opinion that it could be the case?
I think it depends on your taste. A lot of Germans actually moan about their complicated bureaucracy and how there's a law for everything, even though they created those themselves..
In fact, Germans most of the times find a reason to complain. The weather is one of the easiest subjects.
So in spite of things being orderly to a large extent, you might actually prefer places that are more laid-back and warm (not only the weather in a strict sense).

This may sound clichéd, but the degree of one's satisfaction doesn't correspond neatly to the rankings of living standards, HDI's, etc.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:21 AM
 
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What about Canada and Japan? They consistently rank in the Top 10 best nations with a high standard of living.
No one is stating that ONLY Germanic cities are organized and enjoy a high standard of living. Furthermore, Canada is full of Anglo-Saxons, a Germanic culture.

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Nordic countries are populated by people that are actually a mix of more than one culture.
This is true of almost every country in the world. But to say that Scandinavian culture is a primarily hybridized culture is a laugh. Existing on the harsh periphery of northern Europe, It is probably the least diluted culture in Europe including Germany. Historically, the two biggest foreign cultural imports to have made sweeping cultural changes in Scandinavia were Catholicism in the 11th century and then Protestantism in the 16th century. The long time presence of Finns have barely made a dent in knife design.

Since the 1990s that trend has changed as more and more people from the world's most strife ridden countries, Somalia, Kurdistan, etc. are immigrating to Scandinavia to take advantage of their orderly, cities with their high standard of living.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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The Germans who settled this country in the 19th century had more of a collective view of community, and the cities and towns they settled reflect that in their cultural institutions, parks, infrastructure, etc. In many of these cities, only remnants remain as time and progress marched on and the population grew and dispersed. See Chicago, St Louis, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, for example.
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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No one is stating that ONLY Germanic cities are organized and enjoy a high standard of living. Furthermore, Canada is full of Anglo-Saxons, a Germanic culture.



This is true of almost every country in the world. But to say that Scandinavian culture is a primarily hybridized culture is a laugh. Existing on the harsh periphery of northern Europe, It is probably the least diluted culture in Europe including Germany. Historically, the two biggest foreign cultural imports to have made sweeping cultural changes in Scandinavia were Catholicism in the 11th century and then Protestantism in the 16th century. The long time presence of Finns have barely made a dent in knife design.

Since the 1990s that trend has changed as more and more people from the world's most strife ridden countries, Somalia, Kurdistan, etc. are immigrating to Scandinavia to take advantage of their orderly, cities with their high standard of living.
Iceland is the only Nordic nation that has not really been impacted by a mixing of cultures. The same group of people that settled that rock a thousand years ago still populate it.

My family is from Scandinavia (most still live there) and I have a friend of German ancestry that teaches history at a university in New England. We have a pretty good understand of what is and is not a laugh.
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Old 04-02-2010, 02:40 PM
 
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The short answer is yes, cities dominated by people from German stock are better.
heil hitler? come on now, this is ridiculous, are you really saying that people are "stock" and certian groups are "better"?
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