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Old 04-12-2009, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I think when there is hardly or lack of a difference, that could be due to how long one's family has been living in a region as well. For example, the Blacks in Nova Scotia have people that descended from people that have been there since shortly after the Revoluntionary War from Southern states in many cases. Some say that they don't have a distinct accent, while some say they do. A part of that could be due to the different waves of Black folks to Nova Scotia. some descend from people that came after the War of 1812 also from Southern states. Some from Blacks from the Caribbean that came to work in the steel mills there. Some descend from Jamaican "Maroons" from way back as well. There were others that came in different ways as well.

Tell if you notice an accent of any kind from these films:NFB - Across Cultures

NFB - Across Cultures

and more on this:African American Vernacular English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black Nova Scotians - Parableman
No accent except a Canadian one, eh.
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:11 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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Many regional accents of AA's are reflections of migration patterns, and whether they have remained segregated from other racial groups in the area (tied to socio-economic status and education).

I would have to say that many AA's in St. Louis, Kansas City, and Chicago DO have a Southern accent becuase of migration from Mississippi, Alabama, and Arkansas. You don't hear many AA's in Chicago with a nasally Great Lakes accent. However, in Cleveland, Detroit, and Buffalo that Great Lakes is often heard in AA's.

AA's in the Northeast cities (Boston, New York, and Philadelphia) tend to have a much less Southern-influenced accent than people in the Midwest. In the Northeast, AA's have similarities in speech to other racial groups, with some exclusive speech patterns.

I would say that AA's in Baltimore, and to a much greater extent, DC, have very heavily influenced Southern accents that reflect migration from southern Virginia and the Carolinas.

Unlike many general speech patterns in Florida, where Southern accents are usually lost south of Ocala, many AA's have Southern accents throughout the entire state. Most of the AA's in Central and South Florida are not recent migrants to the area, and many ancestors of many natives are actually migrants from other areas of the South.

Here in the West (Phoenix, San Diego, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Oakland, Seattle), many AA's migrated from Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, so some of the speech patterns reflect that migration. However, there are a number of people who have no discernible accent.
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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african americans from new york have accents that are completely alien to african americans elsewhere. No southern influence what so ever. I would describe it a slightly toned down italian-esque mixed with hip hop kinda accent. I should know i have it
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:17 PM
 
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Yeah there is some southern influence in the speech of black chicagoans..but its not true for the majority. Many people from older generations sound southern but anyone under 30 sounds different
Now I know some people from Kansas city that at times remind me of people from Cali and then you have those that sound like kind of southern. Sidenote...I don't know WHAT Nelly was thinking when he came out with the midwest slang thing...NO ONE that I know from Stl talks like him. When he speaks its as if he's trying to make up his own accent and apply it to a whole city lol thats just crazy
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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I don't know WHAT Nelly was thinking when he came out with the midwest slang thing...NO ONE that I know from Stl talks like him. When he speaks its as if he's trying to make up his own accent and apply it to a whole city lol thats just crazy
Haha, I don't know I heard a lot of errr'day's (everyday) and saurrrday's (saturday) in STL when I lived there. I think Nelly's a bit over the top with it though.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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I think when there is hardly or lack of a difference, that could be due to how long one's family has been living in a region as well. For example, the Blacks in Nova Scotia have people that descended from people that have been there since shortly after the Revoluntionary War from Southern states in many cases. Some say that they don't have a distinct accent, while some say they do. A part of that could be due to the different waves of Black folks to Nova Scotia. some descend from people that came after the War of 1812 also from Southern states. Some from Blacks from the Caribbean that came to work in the steel mills there. Some descend from Jamaican "Maroons" from way back as well. There were others that came in different ways as well.

Tell if you notice an accent of any kind from these films:NFB - Across Cultures

NFB - Across Cultures

and more on this:African American Vernacular English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black Nova Scotians - Parableman

Wow, I never really knew they had a black community up there. Certainly in other parts of Canada, but not in Nova Scotia. It's unfortunate that even in a place so relatively "tolerant" as Canada there are still problems that plague the black community, and that our struggles south of the border aren't lost on our brothers and sisters to the north. I was heartened to see all those white folks showing their support though.

That said, their accents seem pretty in line with mainstream Canadians, so at least in terms of dialect there seems to be a high degree of assimilation. Interestingly enough, I bet if I were on the phone with a black Canadian or Englishman, I probably wouldn't be able to discern him from his white counterpart.
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:28 AM
 
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Wow, I never really knew they had a black community up there. Certainly in other parts of Canada, but not in Nova Scotia. It's unfortunate that even in a place so relatively "tolerant" as Canada there are still problems that plague the black community, and that our struggles south of the border aren't lost on our brothers and sisters to the north. I was heartened to see all those white folks showing their support though.

That said, their accents seem pretty in line with mainstream Canadians, so at least in terms of dialect there seems to be a high degree of assimilation. Interestingly enough, I bet if I were on the phone with a black Canadian or Englishman, I probably wouldn't be able to discern him from his white counterpart.
Yup, they have been in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, among a few other parts of Canada since the Revolutionary War. Actually, Blacks from mainly Nova Scotia started what is now Sierra Leone the same way black Americans started Liberia. Check this out:http://www.bccns.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Loyalist

http://www.blackloyalist.com/

http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/ho...egr-integr.htm

http://www.blackhistorysociety.ca/Black%20Hockey%20Timelines_Tbl.htm (broken link)

http://museum.gov.ns.ca/blackloyalists/index.htm

http://highway7.com/t_music/music_01...tia_white.html

http://www.senatordonaldoliver.ca/in...tent&task=view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston,_Nova_Scotia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Preston,_Nova_Scotia

http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/a...t.asp?Language=

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Fortune

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daurene_Lewis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portia_White

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._White

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wh...ian_politician)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_White_(politician)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Elliott_Clarke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Desmond , http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...num=3&ct=image

http://www.bccns.com/assets/pdfs/200...er_Program.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Downey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Johnson

and much, much more........

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Old 04-13-2009, 12:45 PM
 
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ckhthankgod - Are you Scotian by any chance? Your a fountain of info on Black Scotians - pretty impressive for an American...
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Louisiana and Pennsylvania
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Very interesting thread.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: btw Bmore and DC but in the Bmore Metro Stat Area
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it seems denzel w. in that bank robber movie had a very ny accent.
charles rangel sounds like he could be moshe leibowitz
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