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Old 11-07-2010, 06:42 PM
 
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Chicago is Great Lakes region. I don't think geography plays a large role for the Midwest. The Midwest is more aptly divided into the Great Lakes region cities, the Great Plains cities, and the rural portions of any state.

Great Lakes region cities are the Rust Belt cities of Detroit, Akron, Cleveland, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, etc.. They are much more heavy manufacturing based and very diverse like the NE cities.

Great Plains cities are Kansas City, Omaha, Wichita, etc. and are more homogenous ethnically and more agriculturally based with supporting industries.

The rural places are mostly farmland obviously. And I admit these are overgeneralizations.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Silverthorne, Colorado
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Perfect! You totally nailed the Midwest, especially the boundary between the Upper Midwest and the Midland. Much of your "Lower Midwest" could also be considered the Upper South, but it still fits.

Only change would be I wouldn't include eastern Colorado - it's a Western state.
Take it from someone who's from Colorado. Eastern Colorado is the Midwest. Ask anybody who lives in Denver and westward.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:17 PM
 
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Chicago is NOT the Upper Midwest. It's classic Lower Midwest, similar to Detroit, Cleveland and St. Louis. The Upper Midwest is Minnesota, Michigan's UP, northern and central Wisconsin, North Dakota and the northern two-thirds of South Dakota.

I'm sorry archer, but Oklahoma is the south. I don't see how it's even a debate -- Oklahoma is definitely south, bordering on Deep South. It's at the same latitude as Georgia and Mississippi. Oklahomans have a thick southern accent and love NASCAR and college football. OK is known for its far-right wing politics (every county voted Republican in the last two elections). It's far more like Texas or Arkansas than Minnesota or Michigan. There's nothing wrong with the south: it's a great region of the country. Oklahomans should be proud to be southern.
We are in no way bordering on Deep South.. No way. We are a Midwestern state with Southern characteristics, quite honestly.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:46 PM
 
Location: NE Kansas City, MO
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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We are in no way bordering on Deep South.. No way. We are a Midwestern state with Southern characteristics, quite honestly.
^Agreed.
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:20 PM
 
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Oklahomans who think their state is Midwestern should take a visit to the real Midwest -- Minnesota, the Dakotas, Wisconsin and Michigan -- and then see if those states bear any resemblance to Oklahoma. They don't. I'm from the Midwest, and I have NEVER heard Oklahoma referred to as Midwestern anywhere except on this forum. It's a Southern state. Oklahoma is much more Mississippi than Michigan.
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:25 PM
 
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I've definitely been to Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Also, the Dakotas are in the Midwest and they're not very similar to Michigan. That's why maps like these are created because the Midwest is so huge.
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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I've definitely been to Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Also, the Dakotas are in the Midwest and they're not very similar to Michigan. That's why maps like these are created because the Midwest is so huge.
Why is Oklahoma not the South?
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:38 PM
 
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I tend to base regions off of geography, topography, etc. so I'll say it's because Oklahoma does not have the blanket of trees (except for parts of the eastern half) that the rest of the South has. Most of the area of the state that I associate myself with is in the equilibrium between forest and grassland that eastern Kansas, Iowa, etc. have. That's why I say that (most of) Oklahoma is Midwestern.

Based on culture, then most of Oklahoma becomes Southern and only the Panhandle and areas near the Kansas border become Midwestern.

I just define regions geographically. It's why I say that eastern Colorado is the Midwest - there are no mountains. Just farmland. Same goes with eastern Montana. Though I know that there are pockets of rugged land in that area.
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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I tend to base regions off of geography, topography, etc. so I'll say it's because Oklahoma does not have the blanket of trees (except for parts of the eastern half) that the rest of the South has. Most of the area of the state that I associate myself with is in the equilibrium between forest and grassland that eastern Kansas, Iowa, etc. have. That's why I say that (most of) Oklahoma is Midwestern.

Based on culture, then most of Oklahoma becomes Southern and only the Panhandle and areas near the Kansas border become Midwestern.

I just define regions geographically. It's why I say that eastern Colorado is the Midwest - there are no mountains. Just farmland. Same goes with eastern Montana. Though I know that there are pockets of rugged land in that area.
Couldn't agree more. Well said.

And btw, Kazoo, I've visited many cities, including Chicago and Minneapolis. I know what the Midwest is like.
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