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Old 11-09-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: NE PA
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Why is Ohio considered midwest? Geographically, its eastern. It borders on PA and NY.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Silverthorne, Colorado
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Optical illusion? Draw a line from Oklahoma eastward and you'll hit Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina before exiting the continent. That's no illusion: Oklahoma is in the far southern part of the U.S.
No matter how far south it is, take a look at it from a national map point of view.

Oklahoma is in the middle section. In fact, almost directly in the middle.
Oklahoma is also in the area between the Rockies and the Mississippi River that in the old days was referred to as the West (exactly how the Midwest got its name).

Put the two together and you get... Midwest.
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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^Exactly.

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Um,

The Geographic center of the Continental US is Smith Center, Kansas.

That's near the Nebraska line.

According to the US Geological Service.

But I know from a few summers during my wayward youth spent with an uncle and cousins who favored the honky-tonks around Lawton and Altus, Ok., that Oklahomans (especially with a few beers in 'em) call Texas, 'Baja Oklahoma.'
I wonder if the Geological Survey didn't count Ballast Key, FL as the southernmost point. It doesn't make sense how they'd get those coordinates either. Adding Barrow, Alaska and South Point Park, Hawaii wouldn't help because determining the center of the contiguous U.S. is strictly for the 48 contiguous states. If the Geological Survey used Brownsville, TX as the southernmost point instead of Ballast Key, FL, it still wouldn't make sense because 49.25 N (Northwest Angle, MN) + 25.95 N (Brownsville, TX) / 2 = 37.59 N which 1) doesn't match the correct latitude of Smith Center, KS and 2) Brownsville, TX is not the southernmost point of the U.S. This just doesn't fit. Hmmm...something is off.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Why is Ohio considered midwest? Geographically, its eastern. It borders on PA and NY.
I don't understand your point here. It also borders Indiana and Michigan.
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Old 11-09-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: IN
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No matter how far south it is, take a look at it from a national map point of view.

Oklahoma is in the middle section. In fact, almost directly in the middle.
Oklahoma is also in the area between the Rockies and the Mississippi River that in the old days was referred to as the West (exactly how the Midwest got its name).

Put the two together and you get... Midwest.
No, Oklahoma is the South, and has strong southern cultural charactersitics- as well as socially conservative politics. It is also much too far south in latitude to be considered the Midwest.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:03 PM
 
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I don't understand your point here. It also borders Indiana and Michigan.
...and if we deem Ohio as eastern, then using the same criteria, we'd have to deem Indiana as eastern. If if we deem Indiana eastern, we'd have to deem Illinois as eastern, etc, etc.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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No, Oklahoma is the South, and has strong southern cultural charactersitics- as well as socially conservative politics. It is also much too far south in latitude to be considered the Midwest.
Mostly conservative yes, but Oklahoma has more registered Democrats (who can be conservative) than any other party (Libertarian, Republican, Green, etc). And it's not too far south in latitude. There's a mathematical explanation to answer that.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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Mostly conservative yes, but Oklahoma has more registered Democrats (who can be conservative) than any other party (Libertarian, Republican, Green, etc). And it's not too far south in latitude. There's a mathematical explanation to answer that.
Please, if OK is only moderately conservative, then Arkansas is liberal.
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Old 11-09-2010, 09:07 PM
 
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^Exactly.

I wonder if the Geological Survey didn't count Ballast Key, FL as the southernmost point. It doesn't make sense how they'd get those coordinates either. Adding Barrow, Alaska and South Point Park, Hawaii wouldn't help because determining the center of the contiguous U.S. is strictly for the 48 contiguous states. If the Geological Survey used Brownsville, TX as the southernmost point instead of Ballast Key, FL, it still wouldn't make sense because 49.25 N (Northwest Angle, MN) + 25.95 N (Brownsville, TX) / 2 = 37.59 N which 1) doesn't match the correct latitude of Smith Center, KS and 2) Brownsville, TX is not the southernmost point of the U.S. This just doesn't fit. Hmmm...something is off.

Lebanon, Kansas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Lebanon is a city in Smith County, Kansas, United States, in the north central part of the state. The population was 303 at the 2000 census. In 1918, a scientific survey established that the geographic center of the contiguous (Lower 48) United States lies near the town and a monument was subsequently erected at the site.[3]"

Have to ask them how they derived the center.


As far as citing Democrats to prove somewhere is not 'Southern', well that fails on the basis of why the 'Solid South' was the Solid South, until 1965 or there abouts.

Some areas have changed-over to GOP faster than others in the South.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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Lebanon, Kansas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Lebanon is a city in Smith County, Kansas, United States, in the north central part of the state. The population was 303 at the 2000 census. In 1918, a scientific survey established that the geographic center of the contiguous (Lower 48) United States lies near the town and a monument was subsequently erected at the site.[3]"

Have to ask them how they derived the center.


As far as citing Democrats to prove somewhere is not 'Southern', well that fails on the basis of why the 'Solid South' was the Solid South, until 1965 or there abouts.

Some areas have changed-over to GOP faster than others in the South.
Still doesn't make sense. If you factor in Ballast Key, FL which is noticeably further south than southern Texas, it appears that Lebanon, KS is a little too far north.
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