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Old 11-10-2010, 12:36 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Ain't that hard folks. The obvious Midwest states are: Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, and the Dakotas.
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:45 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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1. Upper Midwest - near Canada/Great Lakes, has Canadian and Nordic cultural influence. More liberal and urban.

2. Midland - the heart of the Midwest. Very flat, lots of corn and soybeans, neutral accent.

3. Lower Midwest - more hills and trees, Southern drawl in some areas, more conservative.
No part of West Virginia adjacent to Pennsylvania is "lower Midwest."
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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Default Where's the criteria?

There should be a mathematical reason as to why Oklahoma is not in the Midwest. Til then, OK is a Midwest state with Midwest and Southern influences.
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Silverthorne, Colorado
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No, Oklahoma is the South, and has strong southern cultural charactersitics- as well as socially conservative politics. It is also much too far south in latitude to be considered the Midwest.
Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas all have similar politics. Maybe the Dakotas are more liberal then the former two, but still.
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: New England & The Maritimes
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Why is Ohio considered midwest? Geographically, its eastern. It borders on PA and NY.
I don't see how Ohio's border with PA (it does NOT border NY) makes it "eastern". That part of PA is midwest as well. Coal mining, industry along lake Erie- all that rust belt steeze is midwest. Plus, it's on the other side of the mountains- the natural border of what is EAST.
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:36 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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There should be a mathematical reason as to why Oklahoma is not in the Midwest. Til then, OK is a Midwest state with Midwest and Southern influences.
Well, good luck with convincing the Census that your mathematical formula has proven that Oklahoma is a Midwest state. Are you going to include Tejas and Arkie in your formula too? Until then, I think most schools/folks will stick with the generally/historically accepted understanding of OkieVille. Cheers.
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Old 11-10-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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There should be a mathematical reason as to why Oklahoma is not in the Midwest. Til then, OK is a Midwest state with Midwest and Southern influences.
I am not sure what you mean by a mathematical formula to prove why Oklahoma should not be counted in the Midwest, but I can give you several mathmatical reasons why is it should be considered -- at the least -- MORE Southern than Midwestern. To wit (talking math, remember? ):

1. A mathematical majority of Oklahomans consider themselves to live in the South and think of themselves as Southerners.

2. A mathematical majority of Oklahoman's speak a variety of Southern American English and their preferred choice of 2nd person pronoun is either "you-all" or "y'all."

3. A large mathematical majority of Oklahomans are members of the Southern Baptist Church. In fact, the state per capita ranks in the VERY echelons of Southern Baptists.

4. A mathematical majority of the food items on the official state meal are decidedly Southern! Oklahoma State Meal

Now if THAT aint Southern....hee hee!

But seriously, I don't have a mother-lode stake in this issue, but still would definitely say once again, that Oklahoma has noteably more Southern qualities than true Midwestern.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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I am not sure what you mean by a mathematical formula to prove why Oklahoma should not be counted in the Midwest, but I can give you several mathmatical reasons why is it should be considered -- at the least -- MORE Southern than Midwestern. To wit (talking math, remember? ):

1. A mathematical majority of Oklahomans consider themselves to live in the South and think of themselves as Southerners.

2. A mathematical majority of Oklahoman's speak a variety of Southern American English and their preferred choice of 2nd person pronoun is either "you-all" or "y'all."

3. A large mathematical majority of Oklahomans are members of the Southern Baptist Church. In fact, the state per capita ranks in the VERY echelons of Southern Baptists.

4. A mathematical majority of the food items on the official state meal are decidedly Southern! Oklahoma State Meal

Now if THAT aint Southern....hee hee!

But seriously, I don't have a mother-lode stake in this issue, but still would definitely say once again, that Oklahoma has noteably more Southern qualities than true Midwestern.
I'm speaking more that state geographically, not culturally; therefore, your information was not parallel to mine. But for another cultural trait, a lot of us Okies have the "midland" accent, not just the southern one.
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Silverthorne, Colorado
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The two of us Okies arguing this both agree that we can be included in the Midwest.

Everyone against us isn't even from OK.

I think I know who wins.
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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Maybe because you feel that the South has a negative image or something. I dunno. My dad's whole side of the family is from NE OK, and they consider themselves Southern, and to me it always felt way more Southern than my town in TN.

Also, I believe that Bass&Catfish is from OK
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