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Old 11-13-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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I wouldn't become harsh and say they're morons but I know that Oklahoma is also a plains state.
So is Florida, but that doesn't make it part of the Midwest.
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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Archer, with all due respect, I think you are missing an important point.

Of course -- no question -- Oklahoma is a "plains state". It is also a "western state" South Dakota is also a plains and western state.

But a certain simile might be that, say, West Virginia, is an "Appalachian" and "eastern" state. Same as is is Pennsylvania.

But these shared topographical similarites -- while undeniably real -- pale in comparrison to absolute historical and cultural factors which make Oklahoma and West Virginia, respectively, more "Southern", than "Midwestern" or "Mid-Atlantic". Likewise, with South Dakota being a Midwestern state and Pennsylvania being a Mid-Atlantic (or Northeastern) state.

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Old 11-13-2010, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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im not really a state line purist, i guess its a matter of opinion though.
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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Archer, with all due respect, I think you are missing an important point.

Of course -- no question -- Oklahoma is a "plains state". It is also a "western state" South Dakota is also a plains and western state.

But a certain simile might be that, say, West Virginia, is an "Appalachian" and "eastern" state. Same as is is Pennsylvania.

But these shared topographical similarites -- while undeniably real -- pale in comparrison to absolute historical and cultural factors which make Oklahoma and West Virginia, respectively, more "Southern", than "Midwestern" or "Mid-Atlantic". Likewise, with South Dakota being a Midwestern state and Pennsylvania being a Mid-Atlantic (or Northeastern) state.
Oh great here we go again. I guess we'll agree to disagree.
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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So is Florida, but that doesn't make it part of the Midwest.
Florida is a plains state? How? because it's flat?
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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So is Florida, but that doesn't make it part of the Midwest.
???
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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Oh great here we go again. I guess we'll agree to disagree.
LOL Yes, we will agree to disagree. No problem!

But if you are becoming irritated? Then let me just interject the old proverb of: "A word to the wise is always sufficient!" In this instance and on this topic? If you can't handle disagreement? Then don't start up the subject!
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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So is Florida, but that doesn't make it part of the Midwest.
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Old 11-13-2010, 05:04 PM
 
Location: IN
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It's too bad we can't consider half of the Plains states to be part of the West. Period. Anything west of the Missouri river in the Dakotas is western. Most agree that the Missouri River divides the West from the Midwest in those two states. In Nebraska, the western 1/2 to 2/3 of the state is western with little resemblance to the Midwest. In Kansas, the western 1/2 of the state is also overwhelmingly western with very little in common with the Midwest.

My deliniation of the Midwest CORE includes: northern Missouri, Iowa, eastern Nebraska, southern Minnesota, central and northern Illinois, southern Wisconsin, central and northern Indiana, western Ohio, and southern Michigan.
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Old 11-13-2010, 05:50 PM
 
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It's too bad we can't consider half of the Plains states to be part of the West. Period. Anything west of the Missouri river in the Dakotas is western. Most agree that the Missouri River divides the West from the Midwest in those two states. In Nebraska, the western 1/2 to 2/3 of the state is western with little resemblance to the Midwest. In Kansas, the western 1/2 of the state is also overwhelmingly western with very little in common with the Midwest.

My deliniation of the Midwest CORE includes: northern Missouri, Iowa, eastern Nebraska, southern Minnesota, central and northern Illinois, southern Wisconsin, central and northern Indiana, western Ohio, and southern Michigan.
With all due respect, GraniteStater? IMHO, you are proceeding from the faulty premise that if a state is "western" it must therefore follow it is not a natural part of an historica/cultural region which also consists of states "eastern."

Kansas is a "western" state. Texas is a "western" state. However, neither one are part of the same historical/cultural region with one another. And neither are part of the West of the the Mountain States/Interior Southwest.

The fact Kansas is western does not exclude it from being essentially a Midwestern state. I know for sure a lot of Kansans would disagree with that. Just as the fact Texas is "western" does not exclude it from being essentially a Southern state. Both are products of settlement from eastern parts of the respective regions.

On the other hand, the true "West" (roughly, the U.S. Census Bureau definition) is something altogether different from the Plains Midwest and the Western South.
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