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Old 04-20-2009, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I think your map is pretty much spot on. But I'd put more of Missouri down in the southern tier, but it's complicated. the Missouri Ozarks, south of route 66, is probably less southern than the northeast and northwest corners.

To give true form to your map, you'd also have to have at least one vertical line, separating the heavy industrial from the agriculturea. Ashtabula Ohio has never had much in common with Mitchell South Dakota.

I would put that line through Lake Michigan, down through Green Bay and the Fox Valley, the west side of Lake Winnebago, just west of Milwaukee and Chicago, and across near the Lakeshores to the Pennsylvania line.
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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and i agree the "rust belt" should be it's own region.
No, it shoudn't. You cant compare Massachusetts with Wisconsin, but both are considered "rust belt."
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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MA isn't part of the rust belt. And you can compare them. Both are liberal, have a medium sized city (as their main city), are close to other cities and rural areas, are northern and cold. They both have large bodies of water to the east etc...
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:11 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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I think your map is pretty much spot on. But I'd put more of Missouri down in the southern tier, but it's complicated. the Missouri Ozarks, south of route 66, is probably less southern than the northeast and northwest corners.

To give true form to your map, you'd also have to have at least one vertical line, separating the heavy industrial from the agriculturea. Ashtabula Ohio has never had much in common with Mitchell South Dakota.

I would put that line through Lake Michigan, down through Green Bay and the Fox Valley, the west side of Lake Winnebago, just west of Milwaukee and Chicago, and across near the Lakeshores to the Pennsylvania line.
You're joking right? The Northeast and Northwest corners? Those are SOLIDLY Midwestern. Those so-called corners are not too different from Central Illinois, Northeast Kansas, Southeastern Nebraska, and Southwestern Iowa. Nothing southern about them. It sounds like you almost want to put just about the whole damn thing in the southern tier.
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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I hear something different and you don't always hear it these days in StL, but I do hear it amongst my in-laws. I don't know where else you would hear 44, for instance, pronounced "farty-far." And that's a classic StL accent. I can hear it on local commercials on KMOX.
Listen to St. Louisan Chuck Berry pronounce "morning" when he sings "Sweet Little 16":
Oh, but tomorrow >marnin'<,
She'll have to change her trend
And be sweet sixteen,
And back in class again

Be proud, St Louis
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Hmmmm ... could Missouri and Oklahoma be put in the same class?
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:07 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Hmmmm ... could Missouri and Oklahoma be put in the same class?
The Census puts Oklahoma in the West South Central (IMO pretty much spot on) with TX, AR, and LA. Culturally, Oklahoma would have much more in common with these states, especially TX and AR.

There certainly could be a case made that extreme NE Oklahoma is similar to Branson and on into the Bootheel, which from my experience seems pretty Southern.

In terms of differences, Oklahoma as a whole state is much more Southern when compared to Missouri. In the few areas in Oklahoma that are not 100% Southern there would be more Western flavor (Cowboy culture), while the vast majority of Missouri would clearly have more of a Midwestern feel.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:22 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Hmmmm ... could Missouri and Oklahoma be put in the same class?
NO!!! Oklahoma and Missouri are not even close to being in the same class. Oklahoma doesn't have a whole of Midwestern anything to it. They are about as different as two states can get. Oklahoma shares a bit of the Ozarks, but less than 1/5 of the state has them. Other than, it's a completely different state. If you ask me, Oklahoma is more on par with Texas than any other state.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: New England & The Maritimes
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No, it shoudn't. You cant compare Massachusetts with Wisconsin, but both are considered "rust belt."
EAHHHHHHHHHHHYYAHAHH
That is just offensive.

you should probably look up "rust belt"
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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I've never thought of Oklahoma as the Midwest. I don't see why people think this. It seems very Southern to me. Missouri on the other hand seems split between the Midwest and the South.
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