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Old 04-25-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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Mimzy,

FYI there is a cultural dividing line within your N. Midwest designation between industrial areas (former, now) like Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, and areas to the North, like Green Bay, Traverse City, or Wausau.
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Old 04-25-2009, 01:03 PM
 
Location: IN
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Mimzy,

FYI there is a cultural dividing line within your N. Midwest designation between industrial areas (former, now) like Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, and areas to the North, like Green Bay, Traverse City, or Wausau.
I thought Wausau had some light manufacturing along with a paper mill?
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Old 04-25-2009, 01:13 PM
 
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It does (did, the way things are going).

But it was not solely industrial like the big cities of the Southern Lakes.

It had a much less diverse ethnic mix, as did most of the north.
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Oklahoma doesnt seem southern at all to me except the far SE corner. The NE corner of OK definitely feels Midwestern to me, as does parts of central OK. SW OK and the Panhandle feel different than the Midwest.
Interesting. I've spent almost all my life in Oklahoma and been to pretty much every part of the state and my experience is quite divergent from yours. Would you consider Arkansas or Texas the Midwest too? (I hope not, LOL.) Culturally, there is not a lot of difference between these states and Oklahoma as I have spent a lot of time in Texas and Arkansas. In fact, as I'm sure you know, the Census places Oklahoma culturally/geographically in a subregion of the South called the West South Central: File:Census Regions and Divisions.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The NE corner of Oklahoma seems to have genuine Southern culture (primarily twangy speech, food choices, and Bible Belt mentality) from all the relatives that I know/have from that area of the state. I was raised in south-central Oklahoma and I can honestly say that it feels very Southern to me in comparison to other Southern states. If Mississippi, Georgia (been to both), and Alabama (haven't been, going on what I've heard from others that were born there or have visited there) were a 10 on Southerness then IMO Oklahoma would be about a 5 or 6.

Certainly, Oklahoma is a watered-down version of the Deep South. Oklahoma, however, is very different from true/undebatable Midwestern states. For example, I've been to Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Ohio, Missouri, (about 99% of Missouri clearly leans Midwestern in feel to me with the exception of the Branson area and the Bootheel) and Oklahoma is culturally not like these states, while it may share some topographical traits.

You are the first person from a true Midwestern state (IL) that I've ever heard call Oklahoma more Midwestern. The only other 2 people I've ever heard call OK Midwestern were from California when I lived on the West coast. 99% of the other Californians I knew thought of OK as Southern. When I lived in New England everyone I ran into thought of OK as the South....which was confirmed by my thick Oklahoma twang, unfortunately. LOL. And finally, from the Midwestern states that I've spent time in (mentioned above) you are the first to ever call OK Midwestern in my experience.

I appreciate your opinion, though. I just find it quite different from my own experience and the corroborating experiences of others I've come into contact around the country.

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Old 04-25-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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I have relatives in NE OK, between Tulsa & the Arkansas border. The culture/accent is very Southern, the Native Americans even have Southern accents. The landscape looks Western or Midwestern, lots of ranches. Most people go to high school football games on friday night, party on saturday night, and go to church on sunday morning. I also remember seeing a lot of Confederate flags. Yes, cowboy culture is kinda big there, but it's not uncommon to see cowboy hats & cowboy boots here in TN either.

and let me remind you of all the country singers from OK:
Garth Brooks
Reba McEntire
Blake Shelton
Toby Keith
Vince Gill
Ronnie Dunn from "Brooks and Dunn"
Carrie Underwood

Norma Jean
Roy Clark- also hosted the show "Hee Haw"

Oklahoma is the state with the 3rd highest percentage of Southern Baptists, even beating Tennessee:
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_sbc.html
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Old 04-25-2009, 03:28 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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I have relatives in NE OK, between Tulsa & the Arkansas border. The culture/accent is very Southern, the Native Americans even have Southern accents. The landscape looks Western or Midwestern, lots of ranches. Most people go to high school football games on friday night, party on saturday night, and go to church on sunday morning. I also remember seeing a lot of Confederate flags. Yes, cowboy culture is kinda big there, but it's not uncommon to see cowboy hats & cowboy boots here in TN either.

and let me remind you of all the country singers from OK:
Garth Brooks
Reba McEntire
Blake Shelton
Toby Keith
Vince Gill
Ronnie Dunn from "Brooks and Dunn"
Carrie Underwood

Norma Jean
Roy Clark- also hosted the show "Hee Haw"

Oklahoma is the state with the 3rd highest percentage of Southern Baptists, even beating Tennessee:
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_sbc.html
Wow. Excellent points Smtchll! I often forget of how many country music stars are from Oklahoma. That's an amazing fact....to have so many country musicians.....considering the small overall population of Oklahoma.

And yes, I happen to be a Southern Baptist myself as well as the vast majority of my family and extended family. I guess I'm just the typical Okie, LOL!
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Old 04-25-2009, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Interesting. So ND is about 2/3 eastern and 1/3 western?
If western ND is western, ALL of Colorado is western, not midwestern.
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Old 04-25-2009, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Yeah, Oklahoma is the SOUTH. No doubt about it. Also, so are southern areas of Kansas and Missouri.
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Old 04-25-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Yeah, Oklahoma is the SOUTH. No doubt about it. Also, so are southern areas of Kansas and Missouri.
Huh? Kansas southern? I soooooooo dont think so!
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:36 PM
 
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Interesting. I've spent almost all my life in Oklahoma and been to pretty much every part of the state and my experience is quite divergent from yours. Would you consider Arkansas or Texas the Midwest too? (I hope not, LOL.) Culturally, there is not a lot of difference between these states and Oklahoma as I have spent a lot of time in Texas and Arkansas. In fact, as I'm sure you know, the Census places Oklahoma culturally/geographically in a subregion of the South called the West South Central: File:Census Regions and Divisions.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The NE corner of Oklahoma seems to have genuine Southern culture (primarily twangy speech, food choices, and Bible Belt mentality) from all the relatives that I know/have from that area of the state. I was raised in south-central Oklahoma and I can honestly say that it feels very Southern to me in comparison to other Southern states. If Mississippi, Georgia (been to both), and Alabama (haven't been, going on what I've heard from others that were born there or have visited there) were a 10 on Southerness then IMO Oklahoma would be about a 5 or 6.

Certainly, Oklahoma is a watered-down version of the Deep South. Oklahoma, however, is very different from true/undebatable Midwestern states. For example, I've been to Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Ohio, Missouri, (about 99% of Missouri clearly leans Midwestern in feel to me with the exception of the Branson area and the Bootheel) and Oklahoma is culturally not like these states, while it may share some topographical traits.

You are the first person from a true Midwestern state (IL) that I've ever heard call Oklahoma more Midwestern. The only other 2 people I've ever heard call OK Midwestern were from California when I lived on the West coast. 99% of the other Californians I knew thought of OK as Southern. When I lived in New England everyone I ran into thought of OK as the South....which was confirmed by my thick Oklahoma twang, unfortunately. LOL. And finally, from the Midwestern states that I've spent time in (mentioned above) you are the first to ever call OK Midwestern in my experience.

I appreciate your opinion, though. I just find it quite different from my own experience and the corroborating experiences of others I've come into contact around the country.
Its not just the people that made NE OK feel Midwestern, it was the scenery, the weather, etc. Its not far from Joplin, which also feels solidly Midwestern to me. Sure there is a slight twang in some locals, but you also hear that in Southern IL and Southern IN, which are also solidly Midwestern. Youre confusing Southern touches with pure Southern influence, big difference! I can visit southern IL and feel the Southern touches, but its NOT Southern Georgia!

I also stated that NE OK feels Midwestern, but the rest of the state doesnt. Did you miss that?
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