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Old 11-03-2010, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Part of me says to include NYS west of Syracuse as part the Midwest.

East Colorado should also be midwestern
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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Yes and so should Oklahoma, especially Tulsa. But I know that many people will disagree with me on here and claim that it's ALL southern when we have so many midwestern influences. But unlike them, I was born and raised here and a lot of people in Tulsa, as well as people from out-of-state and some international people (who have lived here for a while), would agree that Oklahoma is a midwest state. The U.S. Census bureau also had some recent changes to their maps to add sections to each of their regions—and it looks like both Oklahoma and Arkansas are both considered midwestern:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...au_Regions.svg
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:22 AM
 
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Yes and so should Oklahoma, especially Tulsa. But I know that many people will disagree with me on here and claim that it's ALL southern when we have so many midwestern influences. But unlike them, I was born and raised here and a lot of people in Tulsa, as well as people from out-of-state and some international people (who have lived here for a while), would agree that Oklahoma is a midwest state. The U.S. Census bureau also had some recent changes to their maps to add sections to each of their regions—and it looks like both Oklahoma and Arkansas are both considered midwestern:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...au_Regions.svg
maybe the people in the city of Tulsa don't want to be associated with the South, but I know plenty of people in the rural areas around Tulsa who consider themselves Southern.

I don't see how a place where people say "yall" drink sweet tea, and go to Southern Baptist churches (a large percentage of the population) is anything but Southern.
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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You live in Minnesota and that is the very heart of the upper midwest. It is more upper midwestern than Mi or Wi and I will concede that. However if you say the only parts of wi that are upper midwest are similar latitudes as the bottom of Mn, then extend that line into Mi as well and you are south of US 10. Just barley north of Flint and Grand Rapids to be exact. About 43 degrees north to be very exact. Having been all over Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota before Ive never noticed that much of an accent difference between them. All three states have pockets of much stronger accents, but they are all similar. Here in Michigan its the yooper accent centered around Marquette and houghton. The strong accents in Mn and Wi seem to be in the northern areas as well. Only southeast Michigan really has that differnt ohio type accent you talk about. I know this is true because my speech helped me blow a job interview down there once. The interviewer told me I had a very "northern" sounding accent. I suppose that is the difference you are talking about. I guess that is one of the reasons I am disputing your dividing line. I really do believe it is more along I 96, or at the least I 69. Go visit Frankenmuth Michigan and tell me that place feels lower midwest.
Okay, being from Michigan, I agree with both of you - to an extent. I think there's a line at US-10, but I think it's more of an Up North-downstate dividing line than a Midwestern cultural region dividing line. The northern part of the Lower Peninsula is heavily influenced by tourism, camping, hunting lodges, etc. from the southern part of the state and I'd hardly call them culturally different. Traverse City, for example, seems a lot more similar to Grand Rapids or even the western Detroit suburbs than it does to Minneapolis, for example. Once you get up towards the Mackinac Bridge, it starts to transition into a true upper Midwest culture that I don't think is fully realized until about you get into the central Upper Peninsula.

I also agree that things start getting a little fuzzy south of I-94. There are definitely signs of things further north there, but there's also a lot of influence from Indiana and Ohio.

Then again, that's the fun of coming up with regions, right?
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:35 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Part of me says to include NYS west of Syracuse as part the Midwest.
All of me says your wrong!
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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This discussion is going to continue for a long time, lol. And once again, not everyone here says "y'all" or drinks sweet tea. The southern Baptist church movement (or the Bible Belt) also goes into parts of Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana yet no one considers those states to be southern.
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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if anything, i would say the south extends into kansas...
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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This discussion is going to continue for a long time, lol. And once again, not everyone here says "y'all" or drinks sweet tea. The southern Baptist church movement (or the Bible Belt) also goes into parts of Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana yet no one considers those states to be southern.
Not quite true. Missouri? Yes. But not Kansas, Illinois and Indiana. Per capita, Oklahoma is one of the "strongest" Southern Baptist states of all.

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo...on/baptist.gif

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Old 11-07-2010, 01:33 PM
 
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This discussion is going to continue for a long time, lol. And once again, not everyone here says "y'all" or drinks sweet tea. The southern Baptist church movement (or the Bible Belt) also goes into parts of Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana yet no one considers those states to be southern.
not everyone here in Memphis says "yall" or drinks sweet tea either. But the fact that "yall" is not uncommon, and sweet tea is readily available are Southern traits. You'd also finds these in Tulsa.
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Old 11-07-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, USA
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Some of it does go into Kansas, TexasReb. Anyway, I still consider Oklahoma as a midwest state but to each their own.
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