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Old 06-17-2009, 08:03 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I don't know if we should tell kids they can't go to college, but I do think we expect/demand too many go to college. I remember college students telling me they would've rather went to a trade school, but they knew that'd be deemed "shameful" or they just couldn't find one nearby.

So I agree Trade/Vocational schools really should be more encouraged. Not demanded on kids, but encouraged as respectable and worth considering if that's where the kids skills fit.
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Russia is arguably more aggressive. They've been involved in a variety of military ventures to crush ethnic separatists and are the leading international arms dealer.
I disagree. Just take last 50 years:

US - Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Cuba, Panama, Iraq1, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afganistan, Iraq2
Russia - Afganistan, Hungary+Czech riots, Osetia1, Chechnya1, Chechnya2, Osetia2 - umm, maybe border clash with China or two.

I would say "quite even" rather than "arguably more aggressive".

Higher murder rate have more to do with poverty and spread of mafia after communism collapse than nation aggressiveness.

Regarding weapons, sorry to burst your naivity, but US is THE largest arms exporter by far. Big time major league by far
BBC NEWS | Business | Arms trade key statistics


I like US, but I like non-spun history too.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:10 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I'm not spinning history. I'm not even that positive on the US. However the source I had placed Russia as the bigger arms dealer.

In per-capita terms, and number of wars, I imagine Israel would top the US in aggression. I'd just pick Russia as they're larger and Israel's wars can be more easily deemed defensive.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:59 PM
 
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Regarding weapons, sorry to burst your naivete, but US is THE largest arms exporter by far. Big time major league by far
BBC NEWS | Business | Arms trade key statistics


I like US, but I like non-spun history too.
And I keep hearing the United States doesn't make things anymore... at least we're still number one in something
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Tijuana Exurbs
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This thread has gotten off course from the OPs original intention. It has clearly become something that should be transferred to "Politics & Other Controversies" or locked. Ultrarunner, you're a moderator ....
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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I'm having foreign visitors next week and looking to report back to City-Data if they find anything shocking that hasn't been mentioned...

As already mentioned... some visitors have commented on the policies of the US...

A big one that many are shocked to learn is that they must now fill out an extensive questionnaire and get a Visa to come here for vacation where none was needed previously...

I always here how "Cheap" gasoline is here... even when it was more than $4 a gallon here in CA last year

Just goes to show what is the norm one place is shocking somewhere else...
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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I disagree. Just take last 50 years:

US - Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Cuba, Panama, Iraq1, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afganistan, Iraq2
Russia - Afganistan, Hungary+Czech riots, Osetia1, Chechnya1, Chechnya2, Osetia2 - umm, maybe border clash with China or two.

I would say "quite even" rather than "arguably more aggressive".

Higher murder rate have more to do with poverty and spread of mafia after communism collapse than nation aggressiveness.

Regarding weapons, sorry to burst your naivity, but US is THE largest arms exporter by far. Big time major league by far
BBC NEWS | Business | Arms trade key statistics


I like US, but I like non-spun history too.
Korea - who invaded who? Who approved the initial invasion (hello Uncle Joe).

Vietnam - who supported the Viet Minh and the Viet Kong? (Da! Da! Uszzzzz, comrade, veeee deeeed!)

Grenada - who installed the puppet Communist government?

Cuba - who moved the missiles in there?

Others - which bloc of countries supported the rogue regimes that started all the trouble in the first place?
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Old 06-18-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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Others - which bloc of countries supported the rogue regimes that started all the trouble in the first place?
I don't think you should go there. Because in almost all of the aforementioned nations, the US supported autocrats and technocrats that arguably paved the way for communism by so blatantly mistreating their populace for money from foreign enterprise.

Cuba with Batista, Nicaragua with the Samozas, Vietnam with the Diem regime, China under Ki-Shek, Panama under Noriega, etc. All of these terrible rulers were placed in command or propped up by the US because they were viewed as good for US economic hegemony. All of them so thoroughly failed to increase the standard of living of their citizenry that they allowed communism to fester and explode.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:34 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I'm having foreign visitors next week and looking to report back to City-Data if they find anything shocking that hasn't been mentioned...

As already mentioned... some visitors have commented on the policies of the US...

A big one that many are shocked to learn is that they must now fill out an extensive questionnaire and get a Visa to come here for vacation where none was needed previously.
A Brazilian student in a class I took mentioned that. She was annoyed by it quite a lot.

Another I've heard many immigrants mention is that in America kids drive cars and even expect to have their own car. The idea of a 16-year-old driving struck many of them as insane and I kind-of agree. The other, kids having cars, I think is more recent. In older songs it was always "can I borrow the car" or the kid working a job to buy a car. The idea of parents automatically getting their kids cars strikes me as weird too so I can't entirely pin that as a foreigners reaction.
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:20 PM
 
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A Brazilian student in a class I took mentioned that. She was annoyed by it quite a lot.

Another I've heard many immigrants mention is that in America kids drive cars and even expect to have their own car. The idea of a 16-year-old driving struck many of them as insane and I kind-of agree. The other, kids having cars, I think is more recent. In older songs it was always "can I borrow the car" or the kid working a job to buy a car. The idea of parents automatically getting their kids cars strikes me as weird too so I can't entirely pin that as a foreigners reaction.
Go you one better...

So many parents I know buy their 16 year olds NEW CARS

New Honda's, Toyota's are very popular in CA for first cars... the parents I know said it is strictly for safety and security... don't want their son and daughter stranded on the road at midnight...

I'm still from the Generation where we all bought non-operable cars for next to nothing and learned mechanics working on them...

Now, in CA... kids are not allowed to have other non-family kids in the car with them... I and some of my friends would always drive car loads of fellow students to away football and basketball games... can't do that anymore... everyone requires their own set of wheels... It's the Law
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