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Old 06-16-2009, 07:35 PM
 
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You go on "holiday"?

You can take a trip on a holiday (holy day).

You don't go on a holiday. (A holiday is not a vacation, nor is it some type of motorized craft.

Last edited by Bo; 06-17-2009 at 07:08 PM.. Reason: Posts 1-13 were moved from the General US thread "Thoughts about America/Americans after my visit."
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:15 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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You go on "holiday"?

You can take a trip on a holiday (holy day).

You don't go on a holiday. (A holiday is not a vacation, nor is it some type of motorized craft.
Psssst, CF, Moderator cut: off topic
A holiday most certainly IS a vacation: WordNet Search - 3.0
holiday - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Holiday - definition of Holiday by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

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Old 06-16-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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You go on "holiday"?

You can take a trip on a holiday (holy day).

You don't go on a holiday. (A holiday is not a vacation, nor is it some type of motorized craft.
Holiday is the British/Irish/General European English word for vacation or time off.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:06 AM
 
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Ignorance has nothing to do with it.

Holiday means "HOLY DAY". It is a special day, nothing more.

A vacation and a special day are two different things, regardless if one has been used inappropriately for many, many years.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:15 AM
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Ignorance has nothing to do with it.

Holiday means "HOLY DAY". It is a special day, nothing more.

A vacation and a special day are two different things, regardless if one has been used inappropriately for many, many years.
Oh spare, me, so if one doesn't speak American English, he or she is speaking incorrectly? The entire field of linguistics laughs in your general direction.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:26 AM
 
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Oh spare, me, so if one doesn't speak American English, he or she is speaking incorrectly? The entire field of linguistics laughs in your general direction.
Am I incorrect in saying that holiday mean "Holy Day"?

Can you go on a holy day, any more than you can go on a Monday?

You can go on a trip on a Monday or a Holy Day, but there isn't anything tangible in saying you're going on a Holy Day? It's like saying, I'm going on Christmas or Easter. The "on" part is relating to something you're doing on the day, not the day itself.

By the way, if you want to speak incorrectly, and support fallacious speech arguments, then go right ahead.
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:44 AM
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Am I incorrect in saying that holiday mean "Holy Day"?

Can you go on a holy day, any more than you can go on a Monday?

You can go on a trip on a Monday or a Holy Day, but there isn't anything tangible in saying you're going on a Holy Day? It's like saying, I'm going on Christmas or Easter. The "on" part is relating to something you're doing on the day, not the day itself.

By the way, if you want to speak incorrectly, and support fallacious speech arguments, then go right ahead.
No, you are incorrect for refusing to acknowledge that the meanings of words change over time, and in fact change depending on regional/cultural areas said language is spoken.

The etymology of 'holiday' is that it originally meant holy day (a day set aside to acknowledge something of religious significance), but the reality is that the word has taken on new meanings over time (and can mean different things depending on where it is spoken) and the new meaning is just as legitimate as the original meaning.

Hell, even here in the US days we call 'holidays' aren't even slightly 'holy' or religious in nature.

What is next for your disdain, are you going to start ragging on those who use the word 'boot' to mean the 'trunk of a car' because clearly that word is in reference to something one wears on his or her foot, and any other use or meaning is clearly inappropriate.

Good lord.
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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Ignorance has nothing to do with it.

Holiday means "HOLY DAY". It is a special day, nothing more.

A vacation and a special day are two different things, regardless if one has been used inappropriately for many, many years.
I'm pretty sure if you scanned all the words Americans use, there would be some inconsistancies as well. How about a flashlight? Does the light actually flash? No, not unless you flick it on and off quickly, which would defeat the purpose of it. It's a steady light, not a flash light.

The meanings of words change over time in every country/language. I can get on board with a little playful banter about which country uses the "right" word (my husband and I do this all the time) but you sound strangely serious about this. It comes across as very petty and intolerant.

Fact is, the entire nation over here calls it a "holiday" and you griping about it isn't going to change it. Get over it, it's just a word!

To the OP: I'm glad you enjoyed your time in the States. I do think you haven't really got a good picture of America outside the major tourist area - you may have gone to surrounding areas but just like any major tourist place, the surrounding areas do also get tourists too. But all the same, it's always refreshing to hear someone talk positivity about America because there IS a lot of good things about it and great places to visit or live.
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Omaha
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I'm pretty sure if you scanned all the words Americans use, there would be some inconsistancies as well. How about a flashlight? Does the light actually flash? No, not unless you flick it on and off quickly, which would defeat the purpose of it. It's a steady light, not a flash light.

The meanings of words change over time in every country/language. I can get on board with a little playful banter about which country uses the "right" word (my husband and I do this all the time) but you sound strangely serious about this. It comes across as very petty and intolerant.

Fact is, the entire nation over here calls it a "holiday" and you griping about it isn't going to change it. Get over it, it's just a word!

To the OP: I'm glad you enjoyed your time in the States. I do think you haven't really got a good picture of America outside the major tourist area - you may have gone to surrounding areas but just like any major tourist place, the surrounding areas do also get tourists too. But all the same, it's always refreshing to hear someone talk positivity about America because there IS a lot of good things about it and great places to visit or live.
The term flashlight was derived from an 18th century Halloween tradition. Young folks would go door to door, in protest of "trick or treat", and flash their private parts to the homeowners.

However, their amusement was very limited as the home owners had a very hard time seeing their genitals due in part to poor lighting conditions.

This is how Joshua Cowens flashlight invention, which was originally designed for lighting fixtures for potted plants, was able to finally be commercially manufactured.

Hence the term, "Flash Light".
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: NY
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Oh spare, me, so if one doesn't speak American English, he or she is speaking incorrectly? The entire field of linguistics laughs in your general direction.
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