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Old 10-08-2009, 10:57 PM
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I can't imagine being in this city in the early to late 1990's. Even this year we're trending down over 12% on homicides and 10% overall compared to the 2008 numbers.
I lived in the city since the early 90's (and had been frequenting the city since the 80s), and while it is definitely a different place, and I've noticed a clear improvement, my experience wasn't bad back then either. Crime then, while more prevalent in different neighborhoods and more widespread, was still mostly a localized, and I did not experience any significant problems.
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I think its actually a bad thing to even have these stats. I say don't give any of these places a rank, let the police do their jobs, and quit giving attention to the idiots who are committing these crimes, some who do so only to be on the news and in the newspapers.
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Old 04-20-2010, 11:42 PM
 
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Murder Capital is not a tricky figure. It's simply a city with a population of at least 100,000 or more with the highest per capita murder rate.
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Old 04-21-2010, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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It's hard to pin down the number. I think they should look at any town over 10,000 personally. . Here is another list from 2005 I found on a random google search:

2005 Murder Rate in Cities — Infoplease.com
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:43 AM
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New York and Chicago are the 2 largest cities in the USA, NYC by far. A city with 8 million people. If NYC had a murder rate of 63 murders per 100,000, then the number of murders would be about 5,000. Another thing is, WHERE are these murders occurring?
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Old 04-21-2010, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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People consider the "Murder Capital" different things.

A. The city with the most murders (this will obviously be one of the largest cities)
B. The city with the highest murder rate

Then you have to consider the size factor that the source is using, some of these lists don't include cities under 500k, or 250k, or 100k, or 75k, or 50k, etc. it depends on the source.

Then you also have to factor in that many cities misreport the number of murders. As seen in Detroit, and Cleveland, and Atlanta, and many cities. Check the city-data crime stats and you'll see how far off some cities are, and not just with murder. I know for a fact that Clevelands homicide count is way off for half the years on there. 2007 alone is off by 45 murders (135), 2006 is off by 44 (119). Look at Detroits number for 2008, did it really go down by nearly 80 murders in 1 year to 306 after being consistently 350 for several decades? They've OPENLY said that they lied about this. The FBI should be investigating this more and giving at least some punishment for misreporting numbers.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:24 PM
 
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Murder Capital is not a tricky figure. It's simply a city with a population of at least 100,000 or more with the highest per capita murder rate.
The fact that Gary Indiana was the murder capital 9 straight years from 1995-2003= case closed on what defines the actual murder capital.
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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As 'tricky' as anything is to get right and agree on, (evolution anyone?)
murder is still the least tricky crime stat.

Anyways, people are quibbling over the #2 spot ...for what? #1, #2, #3 ...
I'd rather avoid them all personally.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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The fact that Gary Indiana was the murder capital 9 straight years from 1995-2003= case closed on what defines the actual murder capital.
Also with Gary, the murders are centralized in many areas of the city that basically have no population left. I just looked up the 2010 census, and was actually shocked at how much the population has fallin. It was down 22% just from 2000 alone! It's now gone from 180,000 down to 80,000. In that same period though the county where Gary is located has roughly the same population it did back in 1960 when Gary peaked. Most people who could get out of Gary just moved across the border into neighboring areas.

Another crazy city is East St. Louis. After peaking at 82,000 in the 1950's and 1960's - the city has fallen hard and fast down to around 27,000. At drop of 2/3rds. The city losing another 15% in the latest census is just going to drive the homicide rate up that much more for each murder that happens. The rates can easily climb above 100/100,000 in the city.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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Also with Gary, the murders are centralized in many areas of the city that basically have no population left. I just looked up the 2010 census, and was actually shocked at how much the population has fallin. It was down 22% just from 2000 alone! It's now gone from 180,000 down to 80,000. In that same period though the county where Gary is located has roughly the same population it did back in 1960 when Gary peaked. Most people who could get out of Gary just moved across the border into neighboring areas.

Another crazy city is East St. Louis. After peaking at 82,000 in the 1950's and 1960's - the city has fallen hard and fast down to around 27,000. At drop of 2/3rds. The city losing another 15% in the latest census is just going to drive the homicide rate up that much more for each murder that happens. The rates can easily climb above 100/100,000 in the city.
East St. Louis' rates have been beyond crazy, they've been absolutely mind boggling. 20 yr. avg murder rate is probably 90 per 100,000 at least, maybe even 120 per.
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