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Old 10-28-2010, 09:29 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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You folks must've skipped that long list Aceter just put up....the 3 contenders are N.O, D.C , and Detroit why still throw out these cities when the answer has already been posted ....and its about per capita not the most ...if N.O were the size of NY when NY had 2000 homicides N.O would've had 8,000....
I guess some could be thinking of before 1985.

In 1965, 1969, and 1970 Charlotte, North Carolina was apparently "the murder capital."

The Sumter Daily Item - Google News Archive Search

The Telegraph - Google News Archive Search

Charlotte's Unwanted Title: Murder Capital

In the 1950s and 1979 Houston was reportedly the "murder capital" and Los Angeles may have been in 1980.

The Miami News - Google News Archive Search

The Milwaukee Journal - Google News Archive Search

In the 1920s/early-1930s Chicago does seem to have been called a "murder capital" but stats were likely not as well kept then.

The Rock Hill Herald - Google News Archive Search

One interesting thing I found is in 1932 the New York Times bemoaned that the US has the highest murder rate in "the civilized world." In that year it said there were 164 US cities where the murder rate was 10.9 per 100,000. That's the same as Charlotte, North Carolina in 2008. So maybe Charlotte of today is better than Charlotte of 1965 or even the same as Charlotte of 1932.

NATION STILL LEADS IN HOMICIDE RECORD - Murder Rate in 164 Cities for 1931 Remains at 10.9 Per 100,000 Population. 12,000 LIVES LOST YEARLY Dr. Hoffman, Statistician, Points to Contrast in 3.5 Percentage in 53 Big Foreign Centres. - Article - NYTimes

http://www.city-data.com/city/Charlo...-Carolina.html
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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The city of 100,000 population or more with the highest per capita murder rate is the actual murder capital. Murder capital in left column, major city with highest per capita rate in right column.

1985- Detroit 58.2 1985-Detroit 58.2
1986- Detroit 59.1 1986-Detroit 59.1
1987- Detroit 62.8 1987-Detroit 62.8
1988- D.C.---59.5 1988-D.C.---59.5
1989- D.C.---71.9 1989-D.C.---71.9
1990- D.C.---77.8 1990-D.C.---77.8
1991- D.C.---80.6 1991-D.C.---80.6
1992- D.C.---75.2 1992-D.C.---75.2
1993- Gary---89.1 1993-N.O.---80.3
1994- N.O.---85.8 1994-N.O.---85.8
1995- Gary---83.3 1995-N.O.---74.5
1996- Gary---89.6 1996-D.C.---73.1
1997- Gary---84.1 1997-D.C.---56.9
1998- Gary---68.9 1998-D.C.---49.7
1999- Gary---68.6 1999-D.C.---46.4
2000- Gary---65.2 2000-N.O.---42.1
2001- Gary---79.4 2001-N.O.---44.0
2002- Gary---57.7 2002-N.O.---53.1
2003- Gary---67.0 2003-N.O.---57.7
2004- N.O.---56.0 2004-N.O.---56.0
2005- Gary---58.0 2005-N.O.---45.3---8 months
2006- N.O.---76.4 2006-N.O.---76.4
2007- N.O.---74.0 2007-N.O.---74.0
2008- N.O.---63.6 2008-N.O.---63.6
2009- N.O.---51.9 2009-N.O.---51,9
This list is wrong... East Palo Alto was the murder capital of 1992. Its murder rate was 162/100,000 or 1/500. 42 murders in a city of 22,000 people (at the time)... back when the bay was crazy as ****.
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:51 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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This list is wrong... East Palo Alto was the murder capital of 1992. Its murder rate was 162/100,000 or 1/500. 42 murders in a city of 22,000 people (at the time)... back when the bay was crazy as ****.
The list is only dealing with cities of over a 100,000. I think there was a Town in the Pine Ridge Reservation that was like the "murder capital" for the entire 1990s, but no one counted it as it was a small town.
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Old 10-29-2010, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Wow, people are actually bragging about how dangerous their cities are. That's crazy.

Los Angeles has not been a murder capital since the early 90s. LA has one of the lowest crime rates in the US. So does New York. They shouldn't even be up for discussion.

In 2009, I'm pretty sure East St. Louis, IL had the highest murder rate by far.
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Old 10-29-2010, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Wow, people are actually bragging about how dangerous their cities are. That's crazy.

Los Angeles has not been a murder capital since the early 90s. LA has one of the lowest crime rates in the US. So does New York. They shouldn't even be up for discussion.

In 2009, I'm pretty sure East St. Louis, IL had the highest murder rate by far.
You are correct but you have to admit that some pretty sensational murders have taken place in Los Angeles historically.
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Old 10-29-2010, 04:22 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Wow, people are actually bragging about how dangerous their cities are. That's crazy.

Los Angeles has not been a murder capital since the early 90s. LA has one of the lowest crime rates in the US. So does New York. They shouldn't even be up for discussion.
In my case I only mentioned it historically. I said more about Charlotte and Houston, again historically, which look to be pretty far from being "the murder capital" these days.

FBI — cius2009

Aceter's list is probably, assuming it's accurate, what matters more for our age. Even then I think DC is not as bad as it once was when it comes to murder. New Orleans and Detroit look to be the most murderous cities of today. In violent crime in general Memphis is also up there, looks like the highest even.
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Old 10-29-2010, 09:53 PM
 
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I guess some could be thinking of before 1985.

In 1965, 1969, and 1970 Charlotte, North Carolina was apparently "the murder capital."

The Sumter Daily Item - Google News Archive Search

The Telegraph - Google News Archive Search

Charlotte's Unwanted Title: Murder Capital

In the 1950s and 1979 Houston was reportedly the "murder capital" and Los Angeles may have been in 1980.

The Miami News - Google News Archive Search

The Milwaukee Journal - Google News Archive Search

In the 1920s/early-1930s Chicago does seem to have been called a "murder capital" but stats were likely not as well kept then.

The Rock Hill Herald - Google News Archive Search

One interesting thing I found is in 1932 the New York Times bemoaned that the US has the highest murder rate in "the civilized world." In that year it said there were 164 US cities where the murder rate was 10.9 per 100,000. That's the same as Charlotte, North Carolina in 2008. So maybe Charlotte of today is better than Charlotte of 1965 or even the same as Charlotte of 1932.

NATION STILL LEADS IN HOMICIDE RECORD - Murder Rate in 164 Cities for 1931 Remains at 10.9 Per 100,000 Population. 12,000 LIVES LOST YEARLY Dr. Hoffman, Statistician, Points to Contrast in 3.5 Percentage in 53 Big Foreign Centres. - Article - NYTimes

http://www.city-data.com/city/Charlo...-Carolina.html
The city of Charlotte itself was not the Murder Capital in any of those years. Those rates were based on the metro area per capita wise which doesn't define what is actually the murder capital. Also, Los Angeles' rate of 35 per 100,000 in 1980 and Houston's rate of 30 per 100,000 in 1979 were not highest in those years. Atlanta was the Murder Capital in 1979 and Miami was the Murder Capital in 1980.

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Old 10-29-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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I've also heard Cleveland and Youngstown were the murder capital at different times, mainly in the 70s.

Can anyone confirm this? I have never found complete stats from this time.

I know that one year in the 70s Cleveland had around 340 murders and it's city population was around 700k, which would be around 48.5/per 100k. Very high, but I don't know if it would have been the highest at that time.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:16 PM
 
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In my case I only mentioned it historically. I said more about Charlotte and Houston, again historically, which look to be pretty far from being "the murder capital" these days.

FBI cius2009

Aceter's list is probably, assuming it's accurate, what matters more for our age. Even then I think DC is not as bad as it once was when it comes to murder. New Orleans and Detroit look to be the most murderous cities of today. In violent crime in general Memphis is also up there, looks like the highest even.
The list is accurate except for New Orleans numbers of 05, 06 and 07 as it relates to Bureau of Justice Statistcs when they listed the city's rate after 6 months of 29 per and 134 murders. In July and August their were 70 murders which brought the total to 204 and th rate was 45 per when Katrina hit but since their was another month left for 3rd guarter crime data to be complete, official data was based on the first 2 guarters of January to June. In 06 a pre-Katrina population was used for the per capita rate and in 07 the data was based on an 06 popualtion. Whatever the actual per capita rates were they were still far higher than any major city. Besides those years, the numbers were accurate, based on Bureau of Justice Statistics.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:36 PM
 
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I've also heard Cleveland and Youngstown were the murder capital at different times, mainly in the 70s.

Can anyone confirm this? I have never found complete stats from this time.

I know that one year in the 70s Cleveland had around 340 murders and it's city population was around 700k, which would be around 48.5/per 100k. Very high, but I don't know if it would have been the highest at that time.
Iv'e tried to gain access to the National Archive if Criminal Justice Data website to view statistics from an historical standpoint but got nowhere for some reason. Maybe you or someone else who's more computer saavy can fare better than I did.
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