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Unread 05-04-2007, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Monterey Bay, California -- watching the sea lions, whales and otters! :D
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Well, I think the wealthy places have less -- probably because they somehow use their wealth to keep them out. I'm thinking about Carmel, California, in particular, which isn't far from me in Santa Cruz. However, Santa Cruz practically lures the homeless in with all of its services -- I mean, I KNOW there is a homeless network and people hear about Santa Cruz and they come here! Yet, not far away is beautiful, clean Carmel -- filled with many millionaires and NO homeless (that I've ever seen there). I don't know how they do it.
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Unread 05-05-2007, 03:33 AM
 
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Well, I think the wealthy places have less -- probably because they somehow use their wealth to keep them out.
They don't use their wealth. It's politics(liberal socialism vs. common sense).
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Unread 05-05-2007, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Monterey Bay, California -- watching the sea lions, whales and otters! :D
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Well, I think the wealthy places have less -- probably because they somehow use their wealth to keep them out.

newportbeachsmostwanted They don't use their wealth. It's politics(liberal socialism vs. common sense).
Ah, so true, so true. It is a battle in this town, but the socialists are winning, it seems. Santa Cruz does not want any growth -- I want a Home Depot and it's taking years and years to get any approval -- I think they may finally get it in Capitola (close enough). No chain stores, no improvements in hotels (huge fight over improving an ugly beach hotel), they even want to keep every tree along the roads that have trees that FALL in the winter! Like, "It's the WOODS...there are LOTS of trees!" (Treehuggers... -- nothing wrong with liking trees and nature -- I love it too, but when it comes to those magic words: "common sense" -- trees fall on electrical wires -- remove the ones that are gonna fall -- it just doesn't connect with them.)

Santa Cruz is very nice, however, I do not agree with a lot of the politics -- and I'm not even a conservative! I'm conservative to them, but not to the rest of the country. No flouride in the water, either -- I do not understand that. The County Supervisors listen to these people who are either unemployed, lazy and living with parents, crazy, homeless, total health nuts, only ride bicycles and are against any road improvements, or super wealthy and very liberal, and those of us who are out there working, and can't take off to go before the Board and support those issues, are out-voted. It's crazy.

I fall in the middle of the road -- but you're right, common sense doesn't seem to reign very much here. If I had the money, I'd live in Carmel, but I can't. Don't get me wrong, there are lovely things in Santa Cruz, and considering most of the country, it can be a wonderful place to live, but I do not agree with a lot of the politics here. I know people often think I'm a total liberal, but I like to think of myself as an Independent because I go with .... common sense and practicality! Unfortunately, not many people seem to have that logical kind of mind. Santa Cruz is proud of its primary bumper sticker: "Keep Santa Cruz Weird!"

So, I try to overlook some of those things and enjoy the others -- for instance, today is supposed to be in the 80s and I will be trekking downtown (dodging homeless along the way ), and taking my daughter to some of the shops there (she has a gift certificate she is burning to use). And then maybe a walk along the beach or on the wharf and listen to the sea lions. At least there are lots of pros to off-set the cons.
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Unread 05-05-2007, 11:53 AM
 
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I agree compassion, but I also think some poeple are not exposed to how serious it is, living in rural america and some large west coast cities are two different places. Much of the homelessness in Portland, is also involved with Meth Useage, and Im sorry I don't care to get beat up by thugs for my spare change, and its a common occurance here. I feel sorry for them, but I also have to be careful where I go in town, because of how many and how closely interwoven drugs and homelessness are here and how Portland is a live and let live type of mentality, that can and has gotten people hurt here. The homelessness got so out of hand here when the state Mental Hospitals were closed, With so few large cities in states such as this, the people wander the streets, and have large camps under bridges and along the river, some are very violent, it is sad,yes I agree I wish it would end, but there are a number of times it is frightening just going around much of town, and one has to be careful. We have had 2 murders commited by random attacks on people in the past year, one a employee at mcdonalds, and another a man waiting in line at a restaurant, both of these were homeless, mentally ill people that got ahold of a knife and just went beserk.
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Unread 05-05-2007, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Monterey Bay, California -- watching the sea lions, whales and otters! :D
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OREGANRAIN: The homelessness got so out of hand here when the state Mental Hospitals were closed, With so few large cities in states such as this, the people wander the streets, and have large camps under bridges and along the river, some are very violent, it is sad,yes I agree I wish it would end, but there are a number of times it is frightening just going around much of town, and one has to be careful.
Oh, I do empathize. Yes, I also remember when the mental hospitals closed back east. Many mentally ill wandering the streets -- and I had actually worked in one of those hospitals. I never understood that concept of "giving the homeless their freedom," when they are never actually "free" in their minds anyway. Instead, they were put on the streets with no way to fend for themselves, no mental aclarity, and no help. I think it's barbaric.

Not only is it bad for the homeless, then it's, of course, bad for the community whose hands are tied in trying to control their behavior. It is definitely an issue that needs to be nationally addressed. And you're right -- the westcoast probably has more (or maybe Florida and the South have a lot, too) because of the weather, and also the liberal politics here. These people need help, not a handout. Just my opinion!
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Unread 11-11-2008, 11:27 AM
 
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Default Homeless a problem eh?

Well the figures seem to add up everywhere I have been. In the bigs blacks take over half the services. Even in towns near reservations like Tulsa, Native Americans hardly ever show up needing services. Funds dispersed from casinos helps no doubt. Only 1600 beds show up allocated to single males across the US and the rest go to addict programs, prison release and alcohol crap. Of course some have supposedly grown children in the social service fireld that ADD to the problem covering their tracks while getting a pass from the game Jane Addams and others modernized. Most former students that dropped out of the BS in the colleges in Soc gave in after reading about how the game was once conservatives that cared like Ibn Khaldin.(or gave that impression) Well now the new religonists have destroyed all faiths to where they are 180 degrees out from the start.
Neither party gives a darn and if it isnt obvious when we doubled the debt in less than 8 years and not a mf thing is solved. The kids in scool now at college get BS'd and are chicken poop to stand up. Link up to CIA Freedom of Selected Info site and enter homeless and see the widespread effect of power games. Creat the damn work if the so called conservatives wont stop bitching about non-workers. China is important too but now yall reds stuck it to us.

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Unread 11-11-2008, 11:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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San Diego - they have so many homeless downtown
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Unread 04-20-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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Portland,OR is a great city for the homeless!!!
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Unread 12-12-2010, 03:30 PM
 
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Over one trillion dollars has been spent since the 1960's on erradicating poverty and the result has been more poverty. The reason is simple, it's human nature, if people can get something for doing nothing, they'll take it. Every program that provides an unearned benefit will result in more people adopting the behaviour that yields the benefit.

The best solution to poverty would be to eliminate anti-poverty programs. Seems harsh, but getting a job is the only real poverty solution for people. And, people who have no incentive to get a job will never be employed and, unfortunately this attitude tends to filter down to their children.
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Unread 12-12-2010, 03:52 PM
 
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When's America gonna get with the program and end homelessness???

Let's see, $300 billion + down the sewer for the Iraq & Afghanistan wars thus far........
Ironically a disproportionate percentage of the homeless are veterans of those wars, and past wars.
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