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View Poll Results: Which Rust Belt City has the Most Potential to Make a Comeback?
Akron, OH 7 5.69%
Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton, PA 6 4.88%
Altoona/Johnstown, PA 0 0%
Binghamton/Elmira, NY 3 2.44%
Buffalo, NY 7 5.69%
Camden, NJ 0 0%
Canton, OH 2 1.63%
Cincinnati, OH 16 13.01%
Cleveland, OH 22 17.89%
Dayton, OH 2 1.63%
Detroit, MI 15 12.20%
Erie, PA 5 4.07%
Harrisburg, PA 2 1.63%
Huntington, WV/Ashland, KY 2 1.63%
Janesville/Beloit, WI 0 0%
Newark/Paterson, NJ 4 3.25%
Philadelphia, PA 29 23.58%
Pittsburgh, PA 44 35.77%
Racine/Kenosha, WI 3 2.44%
Reading, PA 0 0%
Rochester, NY 5 4.07%
Rockford, IL 3 2.44%
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA 9 7.32%
Syracuse, NY 5 4.07%
Toledo, OH 2 1.63%
Trenton, NJ 3 2.44%
Wilmington, DE 5 4.07%
Youngstown/Warren, OH 2 1.63%
York, PA 2 1.63%
Other (Please Specify Below in a Reply) 5 4.07%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-20-2008, 01:31 PM
Location: Red Land High School
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Despite population decline and "ghetto" like living conditions in Philadelphia the metro area and downtown have been growing and getting much better every year. I would say Philadelphia is well into its comeback.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:41 PM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I would plug Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids, MI. They have diverse economies, are close to Lake Michigan and are immune to problems of east Michigan.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:46 PM
Location: Tampa Bay
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I abstain from voting.
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Old 08-20-2008, 07:47 PM
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Minnesota is a Great Lakes State and is the start of the Rust belt as all the Iron Ore is mined in Northeast Minnesota and shipped out of the port of Duluth/Superior. As far as a comeback, Duluth is doing ok, nothing fantastic slow and steady development over the last decade. A previous post said something about two things that do not change: 1. Long and cold winters 2. High Taxes. Amen.

Duluth could add a third, isolation from any other big city. Minneapolis/St. Paul are 150 miles away which is the closest and Minnesota is one of those states that has one large Metro and everyone else suffers (exception Rochester because of the Mayo clinic).

Duluth is also under the stranglehold of unions. I think the prescence of strong unions creates an anti-business climate? Anyone else agree or disagree?
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:16 PM
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Seems like smartest kids finishing high school anywhere migrate to a small set of colleges largely in CA and Northeast...

Those who do well in those colleges and aspire to lucrative careers like finance or tech migrate to a rather short list of regions....NYC, SF, Chic and LA....

Would argue there's been (for past 25+yrs) a massive brain drain out of both RustBelt and SunBelt into those 4 urban regions....other regions simply are dwarfed in terms of economic opportunities for rapid wealth creation for smart, well-educated young people...

Efficient markets and Darwinian selection I suppose...Univ-IL and Univ-MI have excellent engineering schools, but their sharpest alumni (incl founders of Netscape, youtube, google, etc) seem to migrate to SiliconValley for grad school at Stanford and are highly unlikely to ever return from SiliconValley....life's too short to be wasted in any region that lacks intellectual and economic energy....
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:49 PM
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I just cannot see the city of Detroit coming back. First, most of the city has nothing left to rebuild. Literally. With miles of vacant lots and crumbling buildings, there is no infrastructure to work with, except in a very few areas. Second, there is downtown. On the plus side, downtown is beautiful. However, I was there on a Saturday morning. There was almost nobody on the streets but the homeless. At least half the storefronts were empty, and the ones that had businesses were all closed. Most telling, Starbucks has closed both of their street front locations downtown, only leaving open the two locations where they have a captive audience, in the Ren Cen and one of the casinos. Now, I know everybody likes to complain about chains, but the fact is they do a lot of analysis on their locations. One of those closed downtown location was the first Starbucks in Michigan, and had been around for over a decade. Today, apparently there aren't even enough office workers or hotel guests to keep even one location in business. The casinos are great, but they don't get people out on the street. They pull into an attached garage and go right inside. The festivals downtown are nice, but bringing people into the city a dozen times a year is not enough to save a city. Several of the buildings downtown are nearly vacant, and there is almost no residential construction. Midtown is vibrant, but it's north of downtown, and it is primarily the Woodward corridor that has been redeveloped. Much of the surrounding blocks are still crumbling. Indian Village is beautiful, and to a slightly lesser degree, so is Boston Edison, but they are surrounded but areas that are not in good shape, to put it mildly. Southwest Detroit was one of the last stable parts of the city, and was largely intact before being repopulated by a large Latino population and other immigrant groups. It is still a poor area though. Government is hopelessly corrupt and inept, crime is high, and there still isn't much diversification of the economy decades after manufacturing collapsed. I just do not see any signs of hope for Detroit. Compare it with Windsor. Detroit has more attractive architecture, but downtown Windsor is filled with people out on the streets, shopping, dining and enjoying the city. The storefronts are filled with shops, restaurants, art galleries and entertainment destinations. From what I've heard of it, Windsor is far from the nicest or safest city in Canada, but it feels like a real city. That's more than can be said for the empty shell of Detroit.
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ScranBarre View Post
Much of this forum tends to focus primarily on the rapidly-growing Sunbelt areas, so I thought it might be nice to draw some attention away from the glory-mongering places like Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, Austin, Phoenix, etc. and put the spotlight onto the Northeast and Midwest. In your opinion, which city in the "Rust Belt" has the greatest potential for a turnaround? Why did you make your choice? The Rust Belt is the old, urbanized industrial
North---an area that has seen various economic cycles over the past several decades. I consider the Rust-Belt to encompass the following states, which are generally near to the Great Lakes:

New Jersey
New York
West Virginia
As the entire US of A is a "rust belt" (as defined by falling wages, growing poverty, and a dying middle class- all as the rich get filthy rich!), I believe this subject is off target.

For example, many of the states listed are in better economic shape than many "sunbelt" states.

But still, all (50) are on the downward slide.
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Old 10-26-2008, 12:05 AM
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As far as Racine and Kenosha, they were both struggling a lot a few decades ago. Kenosha has been eaten by Chicagoland, and has actually already seen a 29% growth since the 90's. Racine is situated nicely right between Milwaukee and Chicago, and I think that will have a huge impact on its future.

Rockford is around 475,000 and is just on the cusp of being eaten up by Chicago. Its growth has picked up a lot in the past 10 years, and I think the Chicago burbs heading that way are going to change things up as well.
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Old 10-26-2008, 07:46 AM
Location: a swanky suburb in my fancy pants
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Welcome to the "Rust Belt"

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Old 10-26-2008, 09:11 AM
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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I've already acknowledged that I had mistakenly included Philadelphia in this poll due to its proximity to other "Rust Belt" qualifiers like Camden, Wilmington, and Allentown. This is a very old thread that someone dug up in order to bash Detroit. Please keep that in mind.
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