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Old 12-02-2012, 09:58 PM
 
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I'm from Naples. The folige and temperature of the southwest Florida is very much in line with a tropical climate. I think it is silly for people to say South Florida isn't tropical because it is just a couple of miles north of some imaginary line. Weather is shaped by many factors and someone drawing a line randomly across the earth doesn't dictate climate.
I hope you know the person you're quoting believes in that same imaginary line as the only tropical threshold.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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[quote=InsaneTraveler;27183870]Well, I have never been to Hawaii, but being from South Florida I would bet Miami beats out places like Honolulu in the palm tree department. Honolulu is all about beaches and mountains. Not the trees growing around. lol.



Like you said, you have never been to Hawaii. Hawaii has rainforests full of Coconuts, Royal Palms, bananas (not palms, but still) and more.








Oh, and these are native to Hawaii, not introduced.
These aren't rainforests, but you get the idea. The rainforests in Hawaii have far more palm trees than this. And downtown Honolulu is filled with palm trees, especially 100 foot cocos nucifera.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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Honolulu is semi-arid climate. It has low rainfall count, and they're cities like Aruba and Mossoro with warmer temps and higher rainfall counts that are considered BSh climates instead of Group A on Koppen.

Honolulu is not a tropical climate.
Honolulu is tropical. You even said on a post you have on this page: Miami/Fortlauderdale is the best true tropical climate major metro city area in the

Tropical has more to do with temperature range than rainfall. Cabo San Lucas and La Paz in Mexico are tropical, but are also deserts. Same deal with Dubai. Miami is not tropical because it isn't in the tropics and receives those cold snaps. Honolulu has a tropical savannah climate.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:40 PM
 
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Miami doesn't have the daily(Keyword) chill of the South in the winter. Orlando is closer to that daily chill.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:39 PM
 
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Honolulu is tropical. You even said on a post you have on this page: Miami/Fortlauderdale is the best true tropical climate major metro city area in the

Tropical has more to do with temperature range than rainfall. Cabo San Lucas and La Paz in Mexico are tropical, but are also deserts. Same deal with Dubai. Miami is not tropical because it isn't in the tropics and receives those cold snaps. Honolulu has a tropical savannah climate.
Technically, according to Koppen aridity formula, Honolulu is a semi-arid climate. And At the time I agreed about Honolulu being tropical, someone at the time skewed Honolulu's precipitation to make it seem wetter than it really is. Thankfully, Candle from the weather forum edited the incorrect data on wiki, and reclassified it back to a BSh Steppe climate.

I've already done the necessary calculation from the formula Koppen gives to determine the aridity, and Honolulu's annual precipitation (in mm) was less than the threshold, defined as 20 * annual average temperature (in C) + a number determined by Koppens piece wise definition of impact precipation of high sun season has on its annual precipitation.

Honolulu is a BSh Steppe climate. Miami, Fort Lauderdale and WPB to an extent are the only cities in the US with a sizable population considered tropical

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Old 12-04-2012, 09:01 PM
 
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Technically, according to Koppen aridity formula, Honolulu is a semi-arid climate. And At the time I agreed about Honolulu being tropical, someone at the time skewed Honolulu's precipitation to make it seem wetter than it really is. Thankfully, Candle from the weather forum edited the incorrect data on wiki, and reclassified it back to a BSh Steppe climate.

I've already done the necessary calculation from the formula Koppen gives to determine the aridity, and Honolulu's annual precipitation (in mm) was less than the threshold, defined as 20 * annual average temperature (in C) + a number determined by Koppens piece wise definition of impact precipation of high sun season has on its annual precipitation.

Honolulu is a BSh Steppe climate. Miami, Fort Lauderdale and WPB to an extent are the only cities in the US with a sizable population considered tropical
And also according to Koppen, Honolulu has a tropical savannah climate. End of story.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:47 AM
 
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And also according to Koppen, Honolulu has a tropical savannah climate. End of story.
No. According to Koppen, it has a BSh climate (Steppe)
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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And also according to Koppen, Honolulu has a tropical savannah climate. End of story.
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No. According to Koppen, it has a BSh climate (Steppe)
According to me the two of you will never agree on this subject and have said the same thing over and over and over and over again. Give it a rest.
Coastal Hernando County has a higher palm tree density than Miami or Hawaii, there, you can try and argue against that now.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:31 AM
 
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No. According to Koppen, it has a BSh climate (Steppe)
From Koppen:
In most places that have tropical wet and dry climates, however, the dry season occurs during the time of lower sun and shorter days because of rainshadow effects during the 'high-sun' part of the year.
Examples:
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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@canefandynasty, And even it it were a semi-arid climate, it would still fall under Koppen's classification of tropical because every month's mean temperature is above 64F. Such tropical desert cities would include Dubai, Cabo San Lucas, Mexico and La Paz, Mexico. Still, Honolulu has a tropical savannah climate.
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