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Old 12-11-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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So you don't consider Aruba tropical then either? Just curious have you ever been to Honolulu? Definitely feels and looks more tropical than Miami with its short, stubby stressed Coconut Palms and sub-60 degree lows.
Yes, he said a few posts ago that he has never been to Honolulu, and that he also believes Aruba to be an arid climate, not tropical.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:40 AM
 
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So you don't consider Aruba tropical then either? Just curious have you ever been to Honolulu? Definitely feels and looks more tropical than Miami with its short, stubby stressed Coconut Palms and sub-60 degree lows.
Aruba is not tropical according to Koppen. According to Koppen, a tropical climate is a non-arid area with temps exceeding an average of 64.4 F every month. Aruba is a semi-arid (BS) climate. Therefore, its not tropical. Same with Honolulu since it's also semi-arid...regardless whether it has the necessary temps or not. Honolulu is tropical in some areas, but overall it's semi-arid.

And Miami plants those short, stubby coconut palms looks b/c the Jamaican talls look stressed out not b/c of cold spurts, but because of lethal yellowing that can easily destroy the Jamaican talls.

Honolulu is more tropical than Miami in some areas, but overall it is a semiarid climate as per Koppen.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:43 AM
 
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^^^Miami also happens to lose a lot of their coconut palms from the cold snaps, in addition to the lethal yellowing. All of Honolulu and Aruba are indeed tropical. They're both in the tropics, have mean temperatures of every month above 64F (actually, above 70F even, Miami doesn't have that), and get enough heat to be tropical. I've already pointed out that Honolulu gets enough rainfall to be tropical. Just because Aruba doesn't get as much rain as Miami doesn't stop it from being tropical. By your logic, Seattle is more tropical than Aruba because it rains there more. This is simply foolish thinking.

In addition, you said that, according to Koppen, the tropics are not arid. Well, Honolulu and Aruba aren't arid.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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Tropics just pertains to location, not so much climate. There are plenty of areas I can give you that are situated in between the TroCan & TroCap that do not have a tropical climate besides Honolulu and Aruba.

If Honolulu and Aruba got enough precipitation they would pass Koppen's aridity test to become a tropical climate. But they failed it. They pass the temperature test, that is undeniable, but not the aridity test. I've already explained to you how I used Honolulu 1981-2010 data from 2 different sites and both came out to be semi-arid as per Koppen's aridity formula.

All of those "As" climates you keep showing me the link to that are included with Hawaii actually PASS the aridity test to become a tropical climate. They still get sufficient precipitation, except they get their most of their precipitation during the low sun season which is not typical of a normal tropical climate. Thats why they're given a special sub division. Honolulu also gets most of its precipitation during the low sun season, but it still doesn't pass the aridity test. All those other "As" climates do however.

For the other argument, Miami isn't adversely affected by cold snaps like that because 80-90% of Miami very, very rarely sees below 45 F. Miami, Key Biscayne and Miami Beach is a 11A PHZ area. The rest of South Florida (excluding the Keys) are 10A or 10B PHZ. The official area that records Miami climate data is an unincorporated area, and is more inland than ANY area you go to within the city of Miami.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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^^^ So because Aruba and Honolulu get rain in winter as opposed to summer means they aren't tropical? That's a ridiculous logic. I've already pointed out that Honolulu does get 41 inches of rain a year-this passes the requirements. In addition, Koppen even classified Honolulu's climate as tropical savannah. It, like Aruba, is truly tropical, and certainly more "tropical" than South Florida. Even if it is mostly 45F for a cold snap, tropical places never get that cold except in elevated areas, and those temperatures do still damage coconut palms and other tropical plants. Besides, Miami has gotten as low as 27F before, and twice recorded snow flurries. Because of this and the situation above the tropics, Miami and the rest of SoFla are simply not truly tropical, but rather sub/semi-tropical.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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Tropics just pertains to location, not so much climate. There are plenty of areas I can give you that are situated in between the TroCan & TroCap that do not have a tropical climate besides Honolulu and Aruba.

If Honolulu and Aruba got enough precipitation they would pass Koppen's aridity test to become a tropical climate. But they failed it. They pass the temperature test, that is undeniable, but not the aridity test. I've already explained to you how I used Honolulu 1981-2010 data from 2 different sites and both came out to be semi-arid as per Koppen's aridity formula.

All of those "As" climates you keep showing me the link to that are included with Hawaii actually PASS the aridity test to become a tropical climate. They still get sufficient precipitation, except they get their most of their precipitation during the low sun season which is not typical of a normal tropical climate. Thats why they're given a special sub division. Honolulu also gets most of its precipitation during the low sun season, but it still doesn't pass the aridity test. All those other "As" climates do however.

For the other argument, Miami isn't adversely affected by cold snaps like that because 80-90% of Miami very, very rarely sees below 45 F. Miami, Key Biscayne and Miami Beach is a 11A PHZ area. The rest of South Florida (excluding the Keys) are 10A or 10B PHZ. The official area that records Miami climate data is an unincorporated area, and is more inland than ANY area you go to within the city of Miami.
Okay and what about Tropical Wet Dry/Savannah? Those don't count?

Honolulu is tropical, you're the only person I've ever seen try to argue otherwise. There are different classications for tropical climates.

Tropical climate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Considering it lies in the actual TROPICS and doesn't get nearly as cold as Miami, it's a lot more tropical than South Florida.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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South Florida is home to many palm trees, Sub-Tropical or not:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=holly...2,174,,0,10.32
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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^^^Yes, we kind of got off topic. South Florida and Hawaii FTW, followed by Southern California.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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Miami has to be a contender
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