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Old 06-27-2007, 08:01 PM
 
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/US_map-South_Modern.png (broken link)

I agree with Texreb! The disscussion surrounding this topic on Wikipedia has led the editors to create a map of what most people see as the modern day definition of the South. This is to me one of the most accurate maps on the web.

State's in Dark red almost always included in the South's definition.

State's in light red usually/more than likely included in the South's defintion

Stiped states are sometimes ocassionally included.

John Shelton Reed Percent who say their community is in the South (percentage base in parentheses) Alabama 98 (717) South Carolina 98 (553) Louisiana 97 (606) Mississippi 97 (431) Georgia 97 (1017) Tennessee 97 (838) North Carolina 93 (1292) Arkansas 92 (400) Florida 90 (1792) Texas 84 (2050) Virginia 82 (1014) Kentucky 79 (582) Oklahoma 69 (411) West Virginia 45 (82) Maryland 40 (173) Missouri 23 (177) Delaware 14 (21) D.C. 7 (15)

Percent who say they are Southerners (percentage base in parentheses) Mississippi 90 (432) Louisiana 89 (606) Alabama 88 (716) Tennessee 84 (838) South Carolina 82 (553) Arkansas 81 (399) Georgia 81 (1017) North Carolina 80 (1290) Texas 68 (2053) Kentucky 68 (584) Virginia 60 (1012) Oklahoma 53 (410) Florida 51 (1791) West Virginia 25 (84) Maryland 19 (192) Missouri 15 (197) New Mexico 13 (68) Delaware 12 (25) D.C. 12 (16) Utah 11 (70) Indiana 10 (208) Illinois 9 (362) Ohio 8 (396) Arizona 7 (117) Michigan 6 (336) All others less than 6 percent.

UNC-CH surveys reveal where the ‘real’ South lies

This study has been conducted for over a decade by UNC and is still being conducted.

Thanks for posting this, Louisville! I know that we both contributed quite a bit to what became the final version!

 
Old 07-06-2007, 11:39 PM
 
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Okay alot of you all are familiar with the Wikipedia articel on the Southern U.S. state's. Now there is just a crazy dispute on the talk page of that article in which I would like a few opinions on. Well there were two studies conducted on regional identity. Both studies found two different results (in terms of Kentucky). On study conducted in 1986 found that only 47% of Kentuckians identified with the South, only in this study the respondants were given options of other regions. Overall the largest chunk of Kentucky's population was found to identify with the South in the study. Now you have another study whose findings are mentioned below. With over 3/4's of Kentucky's population identifying with the South in this study and with this study first being conducted in the early 1990's ( as opposed to that study being conducted during 1986) and is still being conducted to this very day unlike the other one. Needless to say which study is more accurate, But do you all think that the date's of the study's are worth mentioning in the article since they made different findings?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/US_map-South_Modern.png (broken link)

State's in Dark red almost always included in the South's definition.

State's in light red usually/more than likely included in the South's defintion

Stiped states are sometimes ocassionally included.

John Shelton Reed Percent who say their community is in the South (percentage base in parentheses) Alabama 98 (717) South Carolina 98 (553) Louisiana 97 (606) Mississippi 97 (431) Georgia 97 (1017) Tennessee 97 (838) North Carolina 93 (1292) Arkansas 92 (400) Florida 90 (1792) Texas 84 (2050) Virginia 82 (1014) Kentucky 79 (582) Oklahoma 69 (411) West Virginia 45 (82) Maryland 40 (173) Missouri 23 (177) Delaware 14 (21) D.C. 7 (15)

Percent who say they are Southerners (percentage base in parentheses) Mississippi 90 (432) Louisiana 89 (606) Alabama 88 (716) Tennessee 84 (838) South Carolina 82 (553) Arkansas 81 (399) Georgia 81 (1017) North Carolina 80 (1290) Texas 68 (2053) Kentucky 68 (584) Virginia 60 (1012) Oklahoma 53 (410) Florida 51 (1791) West Virginia 25 (84) Maryland 19 (192) Missouri 15 (197) New Mexico 13 (68) Delaware 12 (25) D.C. 12 (16) Utah 11 (70) Indiana 10 (208) Illinois 9 (362) Ohio 8 (396) Arizona 7 (117) Michigan 6 (336) All others less than 6 percent.

UNC-CH surveys reveal where the ‘real’ South lies

This study has been conducted for over a decade by UNC and is still being conducted.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Kentucky
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I would say an ongoing study would be more accurate than a one time deal.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 07:17 AM
 
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Along the east coast, from my point of view, anything below D.C. is part of the south.

Then in the central part of the country, anything below southern IL and east.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 11:21 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Along the east coast, from my point of view, anything below D.C. is part of the south.

Then in the central part of the country, anything below southern IL and east.
Yes, I agree with you completely about anything below Southern Illinois...however, I do not agree about the being east. Arkansas and Louisiana are definitely Southern as are the parts of Missouri below the latitude of Southern Illinois (which is a minority of the state.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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Along the east coast, from my point of view, anything below D.C. is part of the south.

Then in the central part of the country, anything below southern IL and east.
I agree. D.C. is sort of a gateway city to the South.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 05:33 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I just discovered something that is quite pleasing and at the same time surprising. Apparantly sweet tea really is no longer becoming regional and McDonald's is beginning to offer sweet tea in the Midwest finally. Was just at a McDonald's in St. Louis and of all things...sweet tea was on the menu! A week ago it was not!
ajf, where have you been? I posted this on June 17! OK, I'll probably get killed for starting this again, but I was in Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania last weekend and I saw a sign at a McDonald's that said "Large sweet tea $1.00! There is no way on earth anyone could think that Beaver Falls is the south, and yet McDonald's is advertising sweet tea there. Then I few days later I was driving by a McDonald's in Aliquippa, PA and same advertisement. Apparently, sweet tea is not an indicator of southerness, if it's being sold in two very northern cities.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 08:20 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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ajf, where have you been? I posted this on June 17! OK, I'll probably get killed for starting this again, but I was in Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania last weekend and I saw a sign at a McDonald's that said "Large sweet tea $1.00! There is no way on earth anyone could think that Beaver Falls is the south, and yet McDonald's is advertising sweet tea there. Then I few days later I was driving by a McDonald's in Aliquippa, PA and same advertisement. Apparently, sweet tea is not an indicator of southerness, if it's being sold in two very northern cities.
Calm down, i miss a post every once in awhile...lol. Still Mickey D's has only recent begun selling sweet tea. I guess maybe sweet tea is no longer the Southern thing it used to be....maybe one of these days it'll be served in restaurants throughout the entire north/midwest. As of a year ago sweet tea was a hard thing to come by at least from what I noticed in places other than the South.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 09:18 PM
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OK, I've calmed down. Talk to you later.
 
Old 07-07-2007, 09:34 PM
 
Location: IN
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Yes, I agree with you completely about anything below Southern Illinois...however, I do not agree about the being east. Arkansas and Louisiana are definitely Southern as are the parts of Missouri below the latitude of Southern Illinois (which is a minority of the state.
Actually, the furthest south point in Illinois is Cairo, which is at 37N latitude. Meanwhile, most counties in southern Missouri that are at this same latitude are located along and south of Highway 60. Springfield and Joplin are both located around 37N latitude with Branson about 36.5N latitude. West Plains, Poplar Bluff, and Sikeston are both located at around 36.5N latitude as well. So if you are saying that all of southern Illinois is part of the south than southern Missouri should be included for the most part, especially all counties south of Highway 60.
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