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Old 11-11-2007, 09:54 AM
 
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I used to live in Texas and it isn't the South to me. It is big enough to be it's own region, but I consider it a Southwestern state mainly because of its Old West culture. Maybe if you go east of Dallas you'll find some vestiges of Southern culture, but Texas isn't the South.
Oklahoma isn't the South for the same reason Texsa isn't the South. Western culture.
Naturally, a lot depends on one's own experience and such. And by what criteria one defines the South. Texas is NOT southwestern as in what is New Mexico and Arizona. Nor do people out there consider us part of it. Texas is "western South." Which, really, is another way of saying it is it's own region. Of course, if one qualifies the South by an image of "moonlight and magnolias" then no, most of Texas (save East Texas) would not really be part of it.

Historically (in particular), culturally, traditionally, politically,Texas is essentially Southern. Texas, as a whole, has MUCH more in common with Mississippi and Tennessee, than it does Colorado or Arizona...

 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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This is the south, (and yes, it is defined by the spread of a plant species):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Kudzu.PNG (broken link)
 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:07 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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This is the south:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Kudzu.PNG (broken link)
That's a very accurate map of the south in my opinion, chitownwarrior, i wouldn't agree though with Maryland and Delaware being included in that region simply because their culture and climates do not really fit the pattern, but i would say this comes awfully close to being accurate. Eastern Oklahoma and Eastern Texas I strongly agree with however.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:08 PM
 
Location: moving again
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NO - Mid maryland can not Be considered the South!! It just Straight up is not the south what so ever - southern an Eastern shore MD could be, but not Mid Maryland at all! mid maryland is the most unsouthern part of maryland! if anything, western Maryland is 10x more southern.


Also why is the Portland area considered the 'south' based on your map?
 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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NO - Mid maryland can not Be considered the South!! It just Straight up is not the south what so ever - southern an Eastern shore MD could be, but not Mid Maryland at all! mid maryland is the most unsouthern part of maryland! if anything, western Maryland is 10x more southern.


Also why is the Portland area considered the 'south' based on your map?

Im sorry, but the great kudzu speaks.

Ignore that part in the northewest, that's a renegade growth spurt of kudzu. The map is from wikipedia
 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:13 PM
 
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Sorry, but WTH is KUDZU?
 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Sorry, but WTH is KUDZU?
HAHA, it's a plant that only grows in southern climate. It's an invasive species. Read about it in wikipedia.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 05:03 PM
 
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Well the definitive word is this, and it's final. Only the states that seceded from the union during the war between the states are "The South" all the rest i.e., WV,KY,OK,MO and any parts thereof, are now and shall ever more be just wannabe's-PERIOD!
 
Old 11-12-2007, 05:18 PM
 
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^ Or just not southern or trying to be southern...

but I think that is more accurate than a plant i've never even heard of

But seriously, a southern climate doesn't make a place southern
 
Old 11-12-2007, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Well, Bumblewick, by your own defintion most of West Virginia is Southern, as most of the state did officially secede, approximately two-thirds of the territory. So there.
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