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Old 04-24-2007, 12:16 AM
 
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Here are the metros, U.S. Metro Areas (Wikipedia.org) (broken link)
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:46 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I would strongly disagree with that statement.Philadelphia has one of the most confined metros in the country.

Mercer County NJ 400,000 people and one of the wealthiest counties in the country (Princeton-Lawrenceville-Trenton) is about 15 miles from the city of Philadlephia and 65 miles from NYC, yet its included in NYC's metro and not Philly. That is absolutely ridiculous and screams of some shady politics still going on to this day between DC and NYC.
Mercer Cnty is not 15 miles from Philly. Not by a long shot. Parts are 15 miles from the PA border (actually butt up against the PA border), but not Philly proper. It's a TAD closer to Philly than NYC - almost smack in the middle. It's also not one of the wealthiest counties in the US.
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Oh but it most definitely is.

From the NE boundary of Philadelphia to the SW border of Mercer County is probably less than 10 miles. From NE Philly to Trenton is 15 miles. From Manhattan to Trenton 67 miles, yet during the 2000 census Mercer County unfathomably gets included in NYC's metro. Trenton and Mercer County has always been historically tied with Philadlephia not NYC.

Also Mercer County is top 10% of the US counties in regards to wealth. There is alot of rich people over in Lawrenceville/Princeton/Lambertville areas.






US Census population figures do not include sections of cross-border metropolitan areas outside of the United States.

Rank Metropolitan Statistical Area State(s) and/or Territory July 1, 2006
Population Estimate
1 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island NY–NJ–PA 18,818,536
2 Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana CA 12,950,129
3 Chicago–Naperville–Joliet IL–IN–WI 9,505,748
4 Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington TX 6,003,967
5 Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington PA–NJ–DE–MD 5,826,742
6 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown TX 5,539,949
7 Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach FL 5,463,857
8 Washington–Arlington–Alexandria DC–VA–MD–WV 5,290,400
9 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta GA 5,138,223
10 Detroit–Warren–Livonia MI 4,468,966
11 Boston–Cambridge–Quincy MA–NH 4,455,217
12 San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont CA 4,180,027
13 Phoenix–Mesa–Scottsdale AZ 4,039,182
14 Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario CA 4,026,135
15 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue WA 3,263,497
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN 3,175,041
17 San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos CA 2,941,454
18 St. Louis MO–IL 2,796,368
19 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater FL 2,697,731
20 Baltimore
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Jersey City
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rainrock,

Mercer is closer to Philly than NYC, and it is sort of a weird, gray area where it has ties to both of those large cities. Counties are placed into MSAs due to the commuting patterns of the residents. It's not "shady politics." While Trenton was and arguably still is more tied with Bucks and Philadelphia Counties, areas north and east such as the Windsors, Lawrenceville, Princeton, Hamilton, etc. are becoming more and more tied to NNJ and NYC. If the Census shows more commuting activity north from Mercer than south, then it gets placed within the NY/NNJ sphere of influence. Places like northern Burlington Co and upper Bucks Co are in the same position--lots of commuting going both ways.

Edit: Sure enough, according to the Census Transportation Planning Package, work flows FROM Mercer County in 2000 were:

112,449 to locations within Mercer County
38,464 to counties within the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-CT region
11,292 to counties within the Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD region
1,033 to counties outside both regions

^In fact, a big part of that NY-NNJ-etc commuting group (over 16,000) reported commuting to Middlesex County, NJ. So in 2000 more Mercer residents worked in Middlesex than in the entire Philly region.

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Old 04-24-2007, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Now you're telling me Doylestown is part of NYC as well? This cmsa is a joke.

Regarding Mercer County. Not in a gazillion years will I believe that there are more people commuting 70 miles to NYC than 15- 20 miles to get to Fort Washington,Horsham,Philly, Conshohocken and King of Prussia.

I suppose I'm a little more cynical than you are in regards to shady politicians and the abundance of federal dollars that come with expanded metro stats. But I'll stick by my beliefs. Not many people are moving to Bucks County to commute to NY. Perhaps they are moving to Bucks County because they are getting priced out of long island or the posh suburbs of NJ, but the vast majority aren't moving 75 miles away to commute to NYC.
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Jersey City
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It's not the majority, but there are MANY doing it, rainrock. McMansion life is popular and if you live in NNJ or even NYC, places such as Mercer, lower Somerset, Hunterdon are some of the nearest places you can have it. The NY Times has run tons of articles on these extreme commuters in places like the Poconos and the Catskills who spend hours commuting every day all so that their families can have the McMansion exurban life. It sickens many of us (myself included), but it's happening.

Politicians don't run the Census, weird statistics nerds do (I have a friend working down at the Census bureau...weird chick). And people who fill out their Census forms (you, me, everyone else) provide the data. Of course, politicians often complain and protest Census findings, but they can't change how we answer the questions.

Again, looking at data from Mercer County, 5,600 Mercer residents commuted to Manhattan (plus over 400 to Brooklyn, 250 to Queens, 147 to the Bronx, and 69 to Staten Island). Only 1,500 commuted to Philadelphia and 3,800 to Bucks. More residents go north than south, that's all. If you need evidence, look at the parking lots at Hamilton or Princeton Junction train stations. Better yet, get on one of the packed northbound trains!! Read the NJ threads that are titled "Working in NYC, want a house near Princeton HELP!!"

As for Bucks itself, I'm not saying it's part of NYC-NNJ because its high-population areas abut Philadelphia and there's so much commuting activity between those two counties. A lot of the new growth in parts of the county, however, is a result of people fleeing high costs in NJ and who maintain jobs in places like Middlesex, Somerset, and other NNJ counties that are within 25-35 miles. Some trek all the way to Manhattan (my grandfather from Yardley PA worked on Canal Street in NYC for decades).
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:58 AM
 
Location: In God
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US Census population figures do not include sections of cross-border metropolitan areas outside of the United States.

Rank Metropolitan Statistical Area State(s) and/or Territory July 1, 2006
Population Estimate
1 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island NY–NJ–PA 18,818,536
2 Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana CA 12,950,129
3 Chicago–Naperville–Joliet IL–IN–WI 9,505,748
4 Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington TX 6,003,967
5 Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington PA–NJ–DE–MD 5,826,742
6 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown TX 5,539,949
7 Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach FL 5,463,857
8 Washington–Arlington–Alexandria DC–VA–MD–WV 5,290,400
9 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta GA 5,138,223
10 Detroit–Warren–Livonia MI 4,468,966
11 Boston–Cambridge–Quincy MA–NH 4,455,217
12 San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont CA 4,180,027
13 Phoenix–Mesa–Scottsdale AZ 4,039,182
14 Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario CA 4,026,135
15 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue WA 3,263,497
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN 3,175,041
17 San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos CA 2,941,454
18 St. Louis MO–IL 2,796,368
19 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater FL 2,697,731
20 Baltimore
Ummm, I already posted those sweety.
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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rainrock sorry but you are 100% wrong, there is no spot in Mercer County (which is where I live) that is 15 miles from any point in Philadelphia, unless perhaps you are a bird, and even then it's a stretch. To the "metro Philly area," yes, but to the city of Philadelphia, no way. Having said that, I also think it's ridiculous that we are included in the NYC metro area; Mercer County and all that is south of it feels more Philly than NYC, and it is closer to Philly. There are many people here that commute to both cities for work. There are also plenty of people in PA that commute to NJ for jobs; few commute from NY to work in NJ.

Keep it real, dawg.
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Old 04-24-2007, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Lets make it 17 miles from NE Philly to downtown Trenton and I'm sure there are closer areas than that between Philadelphia and Mercer County.



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Old 04-24-2007, 07:02 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Lets make it 17 miles from NE Philly to downtown Trenton and I'm sure there are closer areas than that between Philadelphia and Mercer County.



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Trenton, NJ US
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Total Est. Time: 23 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 17.97 miles

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Total Est. Distance: 66.69 miles

???? okay...............let's make it 18 miles i know i'm "technically" wrong, but, as far as I'm concerned, it's 32 miles to Philly - Center City, which is what matters. jamesburg is a smidge closer to philly than NYC.
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